Other Events and Attributes:

• Appointments / Titles: Vermandois (Historical), Picardie, France; Count of Vermandois
• FSID: KT4G-S84

Notes:

The name of Herbert's wife is UNKNOWN!
THERE IS NO BERTHA DE MORVOIS!

READ THE FOLLOWING:
-- https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#_Toc521223333 --
-- https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#_Toc521223334 --
"THE NAME OF THE WIFE of Comte Héribert is NOT KNOWN. However, a 'Comtesse Liedgardis', different from the daughter of Comte Héribert II, is named who could have been his wife."

-- https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_von_Morvois --

"Seit den Untersuchungen von René Louis (1946), Daniel Misonne (1967) und Alain Dierkens (1985) wird die Chronik der Abtei Waulsort jedoch als Fantasiegebilde angesehen, insbesondere, was die genannte Genealogie angeht. Davon betroffen ist dann nicht nur die Ehe Berthas mit Heribert von Vermandois, sondern die Existenz Berthas überhaupt."

Google transaltion:

"However, since the studies by René Louis (1946), Daniel Misonne (1967) and Alain Dierkens (1985), the chronicle of Waulsort Abbey has been seen as A FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, especially with regard to the genealogical table as constructed. This affects not only Bertha's marriage to Heribert von Vermandois, BUT BERTHA'S EXISTENCE IN GENERAL."

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“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“HERIBERT I, Count of Vermandois, with Saint-Quentin and Peronne, and lay abbot of Saint-Quentin, c.896-900/906, Count of Soissons and lay-abbot of Saint-Crepin, before 898-900/906, born about 850. HE MARRIED AN UNIDENTIFIED WIFE. They had one son, Heribert II [Count of Meaux, Soissons, and Vermandois] and one daughter, ___ (wife of Udo, Count of the Wetterau). In 896 he killed Raoul, brother of count Baudoin II. HERIBERT I, Count of Vermandois, was murdered 11 June, between 900 and 6 Nov. 907.
Barthelemy Cartulaire de l’Abbaye de Bucilly (1881): 109. Halphen & Poupardin Chroniques des Comtes d'Anjou et des Seigneurs D’Amboise (1913): 247-250 (Genealogiæ Comitum Andegavensium). Brandenburg Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (1935) V.3. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 3(1) (1984): 49 (sub Vermandois). Winter Descs. of Charlemagne (800-1400) (1987): V.3, VI.3-VI.5. Settipani & von Kerrebrouck La Préhistoire des Capetians (1993). Schwager Graf Heribert ll (1994). Tanner Fams., Friends., & Allies (2004): 308 (Vermandois ped.).”

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Research by Friedrich R Wollmershhauser given to Sheldon Wimmer - HERIBERT I. VERMANDOIS, g.ca. 850,  06.11.907. From the Karolinger House, his father Pippin was a grandson of King Bernhard of Italy. Heribert, which is detectable in the sources from 877, was 886/898 Count of Soissons And Lay abbot From Monastery of St. Crispinus In Soissons, 888/889 Count of Meaux And MadrieAnd during this time was together with the Archbishop Fulco Of Reims, one of the leaders of the aristocratic opposition against the new king Odo of Paris, the 888 – 898 the first Robertiner On the French Throne was. On 28 January 893, the anniversary of Charlemagne of the Great Death, crowned Heribert and Fulco Charles the Einfumby, the son Louis the Stammler To the Counter-King, a measure that only succeeded after Odo's death in 898, partly because Odo gradually The party supporters of Charles moved to his side, including finally Heribert, to whom he was the important county in 896 Vermandois Handed. Heribert, after acquiring the Vermandois, expanded his power into the Champagne Without being held accountable by the king. On June 28, 896, he killed the Count during clashes over Vermandois. Rodulfus From the House of Flanders Killed. Like Fulco von Reims, Heribert was commissioned by the Count on 6 November. Baldwin II. Of Flanders, an older brother of Rodulfus, murdered. HERIBERT'S WIFE IS UNKNOWN.

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Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• House: Carolingian
• FSID: LBBB-4XS

Notes:

Herbert II of Vermandois was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois, born circa 880. He succeeded his father as Count of Vermandois, Count of Meaux, and Count of Soissons, in 907. Herbert II was the first to exercise power over the territory that became the province of Champagne.

Herbert married Adele (Adela), daughter of King Robert I of France, and together they had the following children:
- Luitgarde (–978), m. William I, Duke of Normandy and Theobald I of Blois
- Adela (910–960), m. Count Arnulf I of Flanders
- Eudes (915–946)
- Hugh (920–962), Archbishop of Reims
- Adalbert I (c. 915–987), m. Gerberge of Lorraine
- Robert (925 - 975), Count of Meaux and Châlons
- Herbert III of Omois (Herbert the Old) (–980) m. Eadgifu of Wessex, widow of King Charles III King
- Guy I (d. 986), Count of Soissons

Herbert was of the House of Carolingian, a descendant of Charlemagne, as was his wife Adele, giving their children the Carolingian heritage on both sides.

Herbert participated in the overthrow of King Charles III of France. In 923 he captured and imprisoned King Charles, who died still a captive in 929. Charles wife, Queen Eadgifu, and their young son Louis were forced to flee to the safety of her family in England. By 936 that son had returned to France and was crowned King Louis IV. Ironically Eadgifu, the widow of King Charles later married Herbert's son Herbert III of Omois.

In 925 Herbert acquired the archbishopric of Rheims for his second son Hugh, with the help of King Rudolph. Six year old Hugh was confirmed in this position by Pope John X in 926 and sent to Auxerre to study.
In 926 Herbert demanded the Countship of Laon for his oldest son Eudes, after Count Roger I of Laon had died. King Rudolph denied him and Herbert seized Laon in defiance, setting in motion a feud that resulted in the loss of all of his properties and titles, as well as those of his sons. With the assistance of King Henry the Fowler, Herbert submitted to King Rudolph in 934 and all his properties, except for Rheims and Laon, were restored to him.

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne (the capital of the county of Vermandois). His estates and territories were divided among his sons:
Adalbert I succeeded him as Count of Vermandois
Guy I as Count of Soissons
Robert as Count of Meaux
Herbert the Old as Count of Omois

Herbert of Omois died without children his titles going to his nephews, on Robert's death, Adalbert's son Herbert III inherited all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II_de_Vermandois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II,_Count_of_Vermandois

“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“HERIBERT II, Count of Meaux, Soissons, and Vermandois and lay-abbot of Saint-Crépin and Saint-Médard of Soissons, 900/907-943, born about 880. He married ___ OF FRANCE, daughter of Robert I, King of France, by his wife, Aelis. They had five sons, Eudes [Count of Vienne and Amiens], Heribert [Count of Omois and Troyes], Robert [Count of Troyes and Meaux], Albert (I) [Count of Vermandois], and Hugues [Archbishop of Reims], and two daughters, Adèle and Ligard (or Luitgard, Ledgarde) (wife of Guillaume I, Duke of Normandy, and Thibaut I, Count of Blois and Chartres). HERIBERT II, Count of Vermandois, etc., died 23 Feb. 943, and was buried at Saint-Quentin.
Martin & Jacob Histoire de Soissons 1 (1837): 370-371. Étienne-Gallois La Champagne et les derniers Carlovingiens (1853): 139-145. Halphen & Poupardin Chroniques des Comtes d'Anjou et des Seigneurs d'Amboise (1913): 247-250 (Genealogiæ Comitum Andegavensium). Brandenburg Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (1935) VI 3, VII 5. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 3(1) (1984): 49 (sub Vermandois). Winter Descs. of Charlemagne (800-1400) (1987): VI.3, VII.1-VII.7. Settipani & von Kerrebrouck La Préhistoire des Capetians (1993). Schwager Graf Heribert II (1994). Tanner Fams., Friends, & Allies (2004): 308 (Vermandois ped).
Children of Heribert II de Vermandois, by ___ of France:
i. ROBERT, Count of Troyes and Meaux [see next].
ii. ADELE DE VERMANDOIS, married ARNULF (or ARNOUL) I the Great or the Old, Count/Marquis of

Family/Spouse: de France, Adela. Adela (daughter of de France, Robert I and du Maine, Aélis) was born in 898 in France; died in DECEASED in France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• FSID: L8YY-PZ9

Notes:

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#AlbertIdied987B

Albert married de Lorraine, Gerberge in 954. Gerberge (daughter of de Lorraine, Gilbert and von Sachsen, Queen of France Gerberga) was born in 935 in France; died on 7 Sep 978 in France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• FSID: LZZF-5Z1

Notes:

*Adèle* de Vermandois and *Adélaïde* de Vermandois are TWO DIFFERENT WOMEN! DO NOT MERGE THEM. DO NOT COMMINGLE THEIR FAMILIES.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#Adeladied960
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad%C3%A8le_de_Vermandois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Vermandois

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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad%C3%A9la%C3%AFde_de_Vermandois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide,_Countess_of_Vermandois
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adelaide_of_Vermandois.jpg

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Family/Spouse: of Flanders, Arnulf I. Arnulf (son of of Flanders, Count Baldwin II and of Flanders, Princess Ælfthryth) was born in 890; died on 27 Mar 964; was buried after 27 Mar 964 in Saint-Pierre de Gand, Gent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• FSID: GM6K-6FL

Family/Spouse: de Beaumont, Ivo I. Ivo was born in 940 in Ham, Somme, Picardie, France; died in 1002 in Normandy, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Appointments / Titles: Countess of Friesland
• FSID: G98Z-6RZ

Notes:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_van_Vlaanderen

Hildegard married of Friesland, Dietrich II in 950. Dietrich (son of of Friesland, Count Dietrich I) was born in Egmond-Binnen, Egmond, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; died on 6 May 988 in Egmond-Binnen, Egmond, Noord-Holland, Netherlands. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]