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Herbert of Winchester (sometimes Herbert fitzAlberic) was an Anglo-Norman nobleman during the period following the Norman conquest of England.
Herbert held land as an under-tenant of the Archbishop of York in the Domesday Survey of 1089. He held the office of chamberlain of the Winchester treasury during the reign of King William II of England, and the office of chancellor and treasurer under King Henry I. During William II's reign, Herbert became a tenant-in-chief, holding lands directly from the king. Herbert may have been a member of the clergy, although it is known that he was married.
Most sources state that Herbert married Emma, half-sister of King Stephen and Henry of Blois, Bishop of Winchester, and that she was an illegitimate daughter of Stephen II, Count of Blois, Stephen's father. New research, however, suggests that Emma might have been a daughter of Hunger fitzOdin, who held lands in Dorset in the Domesday survey.
Herbert was the father of Herbert and William. William later became Archbishop of York. The younger Herbert became chamberlain to King David I of Scotland around 1156.
Herbert was probably dead by 1129-1130, when the Pipe Roll of 1130 records his son as owing a fine for the inheritance of his father's lands, a fine totalling over 353 marks, perhaps as much as 500. However, there is no certain record of Herbert after 1111, and it is possible that he should be considered the same person as "H. the Chamberlain", who Abbot Suger of St Denis named as an attempted assassin of Henry I in 1118, and who was punished by the king for the attempt. Suger stated that the would-be-assassin was a chamberlain whose name began with "H", and who had been close to the king and received great rewards from the king. Suger added that the king only blinded and castrated the man, which the abbot considered to be mild compared with the hanging that the man deserved. William of Malmesbury does not name the assassin either, but relates that he had custody of the royal treasury. The historian C. Warren Hollister first made the identification between "H." and Herbert, noting that there was only one chamberlain in King Henry I's reign who had a name beginning with "H". The main argument against the identification is the fact that most records considered that Herbert remained in office until close to 1129 or 1130. However, charter evidence supports the inheritance of Herbert's lands by his son before 1121.
1 Biography
1.1 Name
1.2 1060 Birth
1.3 Reported Vermandois Ancestry -probably due to the influence and number of relatives ofthe Herbertian Dynasty intermingled with the Vermandois.
1.4 1066 Battle of Hastings -Herbert I
1.5 1089 Domesday Survey
1.6 Chamberlain of the Winchester Treasury
1.7 1101 Charter
1.8 Properties in Yorkshire and Gloucestershire
1.9 1086 Marriage to Emma
1.10 1100 Second Marriage to Millisent
1.11 1129 Death
1.12 Issue
2 Research Notes
2.1 UNKNOWN/UNPROVEN ANCESTRY -- DO NOT ATTACH ANY PARENTS! (OCTOBER 2014)
3 Sources
4 Acknowledgements
Biography
Per Wikipedia:
Name
"Herbert I of Winchester (sometimes Herbert fitzAlberic)[1] was an Anglo-Norman nobleman during the period following the Norman conquest of England. [1]
Herbert of Winchester (also styled Herbert The Chamberlain), Chamberlain and Treasurer under Kings William II and Henry I. [2]
Herbert "The Chamberlain" of Winchester. [3]
1060 Birth
Herbert was born about 1060 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. [3]
According to Geni, without other citation, he was the son of Herbert Cornwell FitzGodwyn [3]
The primary source which confirms Herbert FitzHenry's parentage has not yet been identified. [4]
Reported Vermandois Ancestry
"This very ancient family from which the chivalrous house of Herbert and other eminent houses sprang, derived originally in England from Herbert, styled Count of Vermandois, who came over at the Conquest with the first William and filled the office of Chamberlain to William Rufus. He was great-grandson of Herbert, Comte de Vermandois, the lineal descendant of Charlemagne. [5]
He is often called a son of Piers de Vermandois, who was probably invented to provide a genealogical link to the counts of Vermandois. According to Weis, his ancestry has not been proven. Burke's Commoners, a notoriously unreliable source, says he was a great grandson of Héribert de Vermandois.[3]
1089 Domesday Survey
"Herbert held land as an under-tenant of the Archbishop of York in the Domesday Survey of 1089.[2] [1]
Chamberlain of the Winchester Treasury
He held the office of chamberlain of the Winchester treasury during the reign of King William II of England,[3] and the office of chancellor and treasurer under King Henry I.[4] [1]
He was Chamberlain and Treasurer of England under William II and Henry I [3]
1101 Charter
"…Herbertus regis camerarius…" subscribed a charter dated Sep 1101 under which Bishop Herbert donated property to Norwich priory[152]. [4]
Properties in Yorkshire and Gloucestershire
Chamberlain of Henry I King of England. An undated charter of Thomas Archbishop of York records that "domino Herberto Camerario et filio eius" were enfeoffed with "Laudesbrough, cum Tolethorpe, Wiverthorpe cum Helperthorp et duabus Luttunis in Turgisleby" and other properties in Yorkshire and in Gloucestershire, witnessed by "…Herbertus filius…"[153].[4]
During William II's reign, Herbert became a tenant-in-chief, holding lands directly from the king. Herbert may have been a member of the clergy, although it is known that he was married.[5][1]
1086 Marriage to Emma
Marriage Date Estimation: Current birth year for oldest son is 1087. Estimate marriage the year prior.
His wife was Emma, daughter of Stephen, Earl of Blois, by Adela, daughter of William the Conqueror, and by that lady left a son and heir, Herbert Fitz-Herbert." [5]
"Most sources state that Herbert married Emma, half-sister of King Stephen and Henry of Blois, Bishop of Winchester,[6] and that she was an illegitimate daughter of Stephen II, Count of Blois, Stephen's father.[7] New research, however, suggests that Emma might have been a daughter of Hunger fitz Odin, who held lands in Dorset in the Domesday survey.[3][8][1]
He married Emma ______, allegedly an illegitimate daughter of Etienne Henri, Count of Blois, and half-sister to Stephen, King of England. [2]
He married first Emma de Blois-Champagne[3]
m firstly EMMA de Blois, illegitimate daughter of ETIENNE Comte de Blois & his mistress --- (before 1102-). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.[4]
1100 Second Marriage to Millisent
Marriage Year Estimation. Assume Emma's death as untimely and his subsequent marriage to Millisent while there were children at home.
He married secondly Milisent. [3]
m secondly MILISENT, daughter of [ADAM], niece of William Turniant. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.[4]
1129 Death
Sir Herbert Of Winchester was living in 1111, when he was a member of the Michelmas treasury court at Winchester. [2]
However, there is no certain record of Herbert after 1111, and it is possible that he should be considered the same person as "H. the Chamberlain", who Abbot Suger of St Denis named as an attempted assassin of Henry I in 1118, and who was punished by the king for the attempt.[3] Suger stated that the would-be-assassin was a chamberlain whose name began with "H", and who had been close to the king and received great rewards from the king. Suger added that the king only blinded and castrated the man, which the abbot considered to be mild compared with the hanging that the man deserved. William of Malmesbury does not name the assassin either, but relates that he had custody of the royal treasury. The historian C. Warren Hollister first made the identification between "H." and Herbert, noting that there was only one chamberlain in King Henry I's reign who had a name beginning with "H". The main argument against the identification is the fact that most records considered that Herbert remained in office until close to 1129 or 1130. However, charter evidence supports the inheritance of Herbert's lands by his son before 1121.[9][1]
Herbert [1] [2] Herbert Fitz Herbert II, lord of Blaen Llyfni [3] HERBERT FitzHerbert [I] (-[before 1155]The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Herbt fil Herbti Camer…tra patis sui" in Hampshire[154]. An undated charter of Thomas Archbishop of York records that "domino Herberto Camerario et filio eius" were enfeoffed with "Laudesbrough, cum Tolethorpe, Wiverthorpe cum Helperthorp et duabus Luttunis in Turgisleby" and other properties in Yorkshire and in Gloucestershire, witnessed by "…Herbertus filius…"[155].
"…Hereberto filio Hereberti…" subscribed a charter of Renaud Earl of Cornwall which names "matertere mee Aliz Corbet"[156]. m ([1115/25]) SIBYL Corbet Lady of Alcester and Pontesbury, formerly mistress of HENRY I King of England, daughter of ROBERT Corbet of Alcester, co Warwick & his wife --- ([1090/95]-after 1157).
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