Other Events and Attributes:

• FSID: LT8S-3TF

Notes:

HUMBERGE IS THE WIFE OF WILLIAM IV:

-- http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUVERGNE.htm#GuillaumeIVAuvergnedied1016 --

"GUILLAUME IV. Comte d'Auvergne. He is named in charters of his wife quoted below. MARRIED HUMBERGE, daughter of UNKNOWN. There is doubt about Humberge's parentage, but she MAY have been HUMBERGE, daughter of Etienne de Brioude and his second wife Adelais [Blanche] d’Anjou, a hypothesis which *appears* to provide a good solution to various chronological difficulties posed by references in different primary sources.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulnoreast.htm#HumbergeErmengardeBrioudeMGuillAuvergne
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermengarde_(comtesse_d%27Auvergne)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ier_d%27Auvergne

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Family/Spouse: d'Auvergne, WIlliam IV. WIlliam (son of de Clermont, Robert II and de Brioude, Ingelberge) was born in 935 in Limoges, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France; died in 1016 in Auvergne, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Life Event: Countess of Blois and Champagne
• FSID: LJYH-M8G

Ermengarde married de Blois, Odo II in 1003. Odo (son of de Blois, Odo I and de Bourgogne, Berthe) was born on 12 Mar 985 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Centre, France; died on 15 Nov 1037 in Commercy, Meuse, Lorraine, France; was buried on 16 Nov 1037 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Appointments / Titles: Comte de Blois Meaux et Troyes
• FSID: L51Z-XMG

Notes:

"It is unclear whether the [second/third] wife of Thibaut III Comte de Blois could have been the daughter of Comte Raoul [III]."

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#AdelaideValoisMThibautIIIBlois

THE PARENTAGE OF ADELA IS UNCERTAIN:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#ThibautIIIdied1089B
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#_ftnref156

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Theobald married du Maine, Countess Gersende Berthe in 1045 in France. Gersende (daughter of du Maine, Herbert I and de Preuilly, Paula II) was born on 14 Oct 1024 in France; died on 10 May 1100 in Aquitaine, France; was buried after 10 May 1100 in Aquitaine, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Appointments / Titles: Hereditary Mareschal de Normandie
• FSID: L55P-QVF
• Occupation: Hereditary Marshall of the Stable
• Residence: 1050; Sold lands at Vaucelles - to Duchess Matilda for Holy Trinity, Caen

Notes:

Miles the Marshal, and his wife Lesceline, in or after 1059, sold to the Countess Maud (the Conqueror's wife) for her foundation of the Abbey of the Holy Trinity at Caen, whatever they held in the vill of Vaucelles -- now a suburb of Caen -- and in the church and the mill there, for four score pounds. Miles and Leseline gave land at Caen, Vaucelles and Venoix in marriage with their daughter Beatrice to a certain Arfast. Miles sold to Lanfranc, abbot of St. Stephen's, Caen (1066-1070), the land occupied by the channel of the Odon, from the point at which it left the old channel, with both banks, but he died before Lanfranc left Caen for Canterbury in 1070. [Complete Peerage XI:Appendix E:122-3]
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DE VENOIS.
From Venoix near Caen, Normandy. The barons of Venoix,Verbois or Venois held their fief as hereditary marshals of the stable (master of the horse) of the dukes of Normandy, hence they bore the name of le Marescal or Mareschal of Venois. Milo le Mareschal and Lasceline his wife, were living in 1050, when the duchess Matilda purchased lands at Vancelles from them for Holy Trinity at Caen.
They had issue:
. Ralph le Mareschal and other sons, who came to England at the conquest.
. Robert of Hastings
. Geoffrey the Marshall

Ralph was living in 1086 and had issue:
. Robert,
. Roger le Mareschal, who had lands in Essex,
. Gerald, owner of estates in Sussex, and
. Goisfred, a baron in Hampshire and Wiltshire in 1086 (Domesday). Goisfred was the father of Gilbert ancestor of the Mareschals.

Robert the eldest son, sometimes styled Fitz Ralph, de Hastings, and le Mareschal, was lord of Venoix and the king's sheriff or seneschal at Hastings, where, and at Rye, his descendants long held the revenue in farm from the crown. He had issue William de Hastings who c. 1100 married Juliana, granddaughter and heir of Waleran, a great baron in Essex, living in 1130. With Robert de Venoix his brother, he instituted a suit against his cousin, Gilbert Marescal and his son John, to recover the office of hereditary marshal, which Gilbert or Goisfrid his father had obtained and successfully held, although it could not have been theirs by right of birth. The suit failed, but William in compensation was created dapifer. Hence the celebrated and renowned family of Hastings, who married into the royalty of England and were so famous in history. From this line descended the Hastings, barons of Abergavenny, the marquesses of Hastings, the earls of Pembroke, and earls of Striguil in Ireland, as well as the earls of Huntingdon. This latter great branch of the family still exists in the male line which was ennobled in the person of sir William Hastings, created baron Hastings of Ashby-de-la-Zouch, by king Edward IV, in 1461, under which title he was summoned to parliament. He was one of the most powerful persons in the kingdom and erected at Ashby a magnificent castle, where afterwards Mary queen of Scots was kept in captivity. He possessed tremendous estates, the honours of Pevrel, Belvoir Hagenet, and Huntingdon, the lands of viscount Beaumont, Belvoir castle, with a great part of the possessions of lord Ros, Ashby-de-la-Zouch, which had belonged to the earls of Wiltshire, the castle and rape of Hastings. He was invested with many high offices; was ambassador to France, chamberlain to North Wales, constable of six castles and many more honours, too numerous to mention. Upon the death of king Edward IV, his greatness came to a sudden end, as he was lured to the tower of London by the new protector, Richard, duke of Gloucester, and beheaded forthwith in 1483.

--(Falaise Roll).
http://www.1066.co.nz/Mosaic%20DVD/library/people/venois.htm

Miles married de Venoix, Lesceline in 1035. Lesceline was born in 1022 in Caen, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died in 1059 in Venoix, Caen, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Appointments / Titles: Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Centre, France; Comte de Blois
• Appointments / Titles: Comte de Châteaudun, Meaux et seigneur de Sancerre, Saint-Florentin, Provins, Montereau, Vertus, Oulchy-le-Château, Château-Thierry, Châtillon-sur-Marne et Montfélix
• Appointments / Titles: Chartres, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France; Count
• FSID: LCP1-19Y

Notes:

Comte de Blois, Châteaudun, Chartres, Meaux
Champagne Count of Blois Brie and Chartres

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thibaud_III_de_Blois#Mariages

"This Gersende / Gundrade is said to be the mother of Etienne II de Blois, who marries Adèle de Normandie (Adèle de Blois), daughter of William the Conqueror, hence the succession of the Counts of Champagne, Blois and Sancerre, as well as the lords of Sully (and the kings of England during the reign of Stephen). However this thesis is controversial, because the reason for the repudiation of Gersende in 1048 seems to be the fact that she did not give a 'child to her husband. Étienne II de Blois, according to this hypothesis, would therefore rather come from the second marriage of Thibaud III. "

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Étienne married de Normandie, Adèle in 1080 in Chartres, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France. Adèle (daughter of Beauclerc, King of England William and of Flanders, Matilda) was born in 1065 in Normandy, France; died on 8 Mar 1137 in Marcigny, Saône-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France; was buried after 8 Mar 1137 in Abbey of Holy Trinity, Caen, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• FSID: M1GS-KQP
• Occupation: Hereditary Marshall of the Stable
• Appointments / Titles: 1070; Hereditary Mareschal de Normandie
• Appointments / Titles: 1086, Wiltshire, England; Lord and tenant-in-chief of Draicote
• Residence: 1086; Owner of estates in Hants and Wilts

Notes:

Geoffrey the Marshal, son and heir [of Miles], succeeded his father in or before 1070, and with his (unnamed) brother or brothers sold to St. Stephen's, Caen, a strip of cultivated land situated between the 2 branches of the Odon at Venoix and a tenant there. He gave abbot William (1070-79) the land in which the monks had made a channel of the Odon and the claim derived from it. In 1086 he held land in chief at East Worldham, Hants, as Geoffrey the Marshal, and as Geoffrey he held lands at Draycot, Wilts. His wife's name is unknown, but he is presumably father or grandfather of Robert de Venoix, who unsuccessfully claimed the office of Master Marshal against Gilbert the Marshal under Henry I. [Complete Peerage XI:Appendix E:123]

Son of Goisfrid De Bec and Lesceline (surname unknown). He had 2 wives: (No Name) and Aline Pipard - who was mother of his two sons. He was father of Gilbert (Fitz-Geoffrey) "The Marshal" Fitzrobert and Ilbert ou Gilbert "The Marshall". He was full-brothe

Family/Spouse: Pipard, Aline. Aline (daughter of Pipard, John) was born in 1060 in Normandy, France; died in 1105 in Pembrokeshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]