de Bellême, Seigneur of Bellême and Alençon WIlliam Talvas II

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  de Bellême, Seigneur of Bellême and Alençon WIlliam Talvas II was born in 995 in Bellême, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died between 1050 and 1054 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried between 1050 and 1054 in Domfront, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Nickname: Guillaume
    • FSID: L1R3-QH7

    Notes:

    Guillaume Alencon Talvas, Circa 995 - Circa 1055

    Guillaume Alencon Talvas was born circa 995, in Belleme, Perche, Normandy, France.

    Guillaume married Haberga Talvas (born de Beaumont).

    Haberga was born circa 970, in Alenon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Her occupation was Princess de Belleme.

    They had one daughter: Mabille de Montgomery (born Talvas).
    Guillaume passed away circa 1055, at age 60 in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France.

    He was buried in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Guillaume Alencon Talvas, Circa 995 - Circa 1055 Guillaume Alencon Talvas was born circa 995, in Belleme, Perche, Normandy, France.Guillaume married Haberga Talvas (born de Beaumont).Haberga was born circa 970, in Alenon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, Franc

    Family/Spouse: de Beaumont, Hildeburge. Hildeburge was born in 995 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died in 1067 in Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. de Bellême, Mabel Talvas  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1026 in Bellême, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried on 5 Dec 1079 in Troarn, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  de Bellême, Mabel Talvas Descendancy chart to this point (1.WIlliam1) was born in 1026 in Bellême, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried on 5 Dec 1079 in Troarn, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; Countess Castile
    • House: Bellême
    • FSID: M897-QTS

    Notes:

    Mabel was the daughter of William I Talvas and his first wife Hildeburg. She was the heiress of her father’s estates, her half-brother Oliver apparently being excluded. She also inherited the remainder of the Bellême honor in 1070 at the death of her uncle Yves, Bishop of Séez and Lord of Bellême. When their father was exiled by her brother Arnulf in 1048 she accompanied him until both were taken in by the Montgomery family. Between 1050-1054 she married Roger II de Montgomery, later 1st Earl of Shrewsbury. Roger II de Montgomery was already a favorite of Duke William and by being given in marriage to Mabel it increased his fortunes even further.

    Her husband Roger had not participated in the Norman conquest of England, but had remained behind in Normandy as co-regent along with William's wife, Matilda of Flanders. He had also contributed 60 ships to Duke William's invasion force. He joined the king in England in 1067 and was rewarded with the earldom of Shropshire and a number of estates to the point that he was one of the largest landholders in the Domesday Book.

    She and her husband Roger transferred the church of Saint-Martin of Séez to Evroul and petitioned her uncle, Yves, Bishop of Séez to build a monastery there on lands from her estates. The consecration was in 1061 at which time Mabel made additional gifts.

    Of all of Orderic’s female subjects Mabel was the most cunning and treacherous; if not entirely for her own misdeeds then as the mother of Robert de Bellême, who had a reputation for savagery as well as cruelty. In one passage Orderic describes her as "small, very talkative, ready enough to do evil, shrewd and jocular, extremely cruel and daring."

    In perpetuating her family’s feud with the Giroie family she set her sights on Arnold de Echauffour, the son of William fitz Giroie who her father had mutilated at his wedding celebration.[a] She obtained part of his estates when she and her husband Roger convinced Duke William to confiscate his lands. In 1063 however, Arnold was promised forgiveness by the Duke and was to have his lands restored. To prevent this Mabel plotted to kill Arnold. She attempted to murder Arnold of Echauffour by poisoning a glass of wine but he declined to drink. Her husband's brother, refreshing himself after a long ride, drank the wine and died shortly thereafter. In the end though she bribed Arnold's chamberlain providing him with the necessary poison, this time being successful.

    Excepting Theodoric, abbot of the abbey of Saint-Evroul, who she listened to at times, Mabel was hostile to most members of the clergy; but her husband loved the monks at Saint-Evroul so she found it necessary to be more subtle. In an incident in 1064, she deliberately burdened their limited resources by visiting the abbey for extended stays with a large retinue of her soldiers.[c] When rebuked by Theodoric the abbot for her callousness she snapped back that the next time she would visit with an even larger group. The abbot predicted that if she did not repent of her evilness she would suffer great pains and that very evening she did. She left the abbey in great haste as well as in great pain and did not abuse their hospitality again.

    Mabel continued her wickedness causing many nobles to lose their lands and become destitute. In 1077 she took the hereditary lands of Hugh Bunel by force. Two years later while coming out of her bath, she was killed by some men who had crept into the castle. Hugh had enlisted the help of his three brothers, gained entry to the castle of Bures on the Dives and struck off her head with his sword. The murderers were pursued but escaped by destroying a bridge behind them. Mabel's murder occurred on 2 December 1079 and she was buried three days later at Troarn.

    Her epitaph is notable as an example of monks bowing more to “the partiality of her friends than to her own merits":

    Sprung from the noble and the brave,
    Here Mabel finds a narrow grave.
    But, above all woman’s glory,
    Fills a page in famous story.
    Commanding, eloquent, and wise,
    And prompt to daring enterprise;
    Though slight her form, her soul was great,
    And, proudly swelling in her state,
    Rich dress, and pomp, and retinue,
    Lent it their grace and houours due.
    The border’s guard, the country’s shield,
    Both love and fear her might revealed,
    Till Hugh, revengeful, gained her bower,
    In dark December’s midnight hour.
    Then saw the Dive’s o’erflowing stream
    The ruthless murderer’s poignard gleam.
    Now friends, some moments kindly spare,
    For her soul’s rest to breathe a prayer!

    Mabel and her husband, Roger de Montgomery had ten children:
    1. Roger of Montgomery, oldest son, died young
    2. Robert de Bellême, Count of Alençcon in 1082, he succeeded his younger brother Hugh as 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury. He married Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu and died in 1131.
    3. Hugh of Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, died without issue 1098.
    4. Roger the Poitevin, Vicomte d'Hiemois, married Adelmode de la Marche.
    5. Philip of Montgomery.
    6. Arnulf of Montgomery,married Lafracota daughter of Muirchertach Ua Briain.
    7. Sibyl of Montgomory, she married Robert Fitzhamon, Lord of Creully.
    8. Emma, abbess of Almenêches.
    9. Matilda (Maud) of Montgomery, she married Robert, Count of Mortain and died c. 1085.
    10. Mabel of Montgomery, she married Hugh de Châteauneuf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabel_de_Bell%C3%AAme

    Family/Spouse: de Montgomery, Count Roger II. Roger (son of de Montgomery, Roger I and Equiqueville, Josceline) was born in UNKNOWN; died on 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; was buried on 27 Jul 1094 in Abbey of St. Peter, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 3. de Montgomery, Countess Maud  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1039 in St Germain de Montgomery, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 12 Sep 1082 in Abbey of St Grestain, Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France; was buried on 12 Sep 1082 in Abbey of St Grestain, Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France.
    2. 4. de Montgomery, Lord Roger III  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1058 in St Germain de Montgomery, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died in 1123 in Charroux, Allier, Auvergne, France; was buried in 1123 in Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France.


Generation: 3

  1. 3.  de Montgomery, Countess Maud Descendancy chart to this point (2.Mabel2, 1.WIlliam1) was born in 1039 in St Germain de Montgomery, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 12 Sep 1082 in Abbey of St Grestain, Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France; was buried on 12 Sep 1082 in Abbey of St Grestain, Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: L82R-5HJ
    • Appointments / Titles: 1060; Countess of Montaigne

    Notes:

    “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):

    “ROBERT, Count of Mortain (in Cotentin), Domesday lord of Pitstone and West Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, Blisland, Boyton, Lancarffe, Poundstock, Treroosel, and Truthwall, Cornwall, Bere Ferrers, Bolberry, Bratton Fleming, Buckland Brewer, Densham, Dunsdon, Fardel, and Weare Giffard, Devon, Ashill, Barton St. David, Bishopston, Brompton Regis, Bruton, Crewkerne, Curry Rivel, Kingstone, Shepton Montague, Stoke sub Hamdon, Swell, and Tintinhill, Somerset, etc.,

    Born about 1040. He was an uterine half-brother of William the Conqueror, King of England.
    He was created a count about 1060.

    He married (1st) before 1066 MAUD DE MONTGOMERY, daughter of Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, by his 1st wife, Mabel, daughter and heiress of William, seigneur of Alencon and Bellême.

    They had one son, William [Count of Mortain], and four daughters:
    Agnes,
    Denise (wife of Guy III, seigneur of Laval),
    Emma (wife of William IV, Count of Toulouse), and Sibylle [Abbess of Saintes].

    About 1082 he and his wife, Maud, founded a collegiate church at St. Evroult at Mortain. His wife, Maud, died 21 Sept. 1082, and was buried in Grestain Abbey.

    He married (2nd) ALMODIS ___. They had one son, Robert, and one daughter, Almodis (wife of Raimon Berenguer III of Barcelona).

    In the period, 1082-84, he granted land in Dorset to Marmoutier Abbey at Tours. He joined the rebellion against King William Rufus in 1088, which was soon put down. He was a benefactor of many religious houses, including the abbeys of Grestain, Marmoutier, Caen, Préaux, Fécamp, Mont-St-Michel, St.- Nicholas, Angers and St. Albans.

    ROBERT, Count of Mortain, died 8 Dec. 1090.

    L'Art de Vérifier les Dates 2 (1784): 790 (sub Montgomeri). Rud Coelicum Manuscriptorum Ecclesia Cathedralis Dunelmensis (1825): 214 ("Nomina quae in Kalendario (supra Tr. 5.) occurrunt: XI. Kal. Octobr. [21 September] - Obiit Mathildis Comitissa de Moretonio."). Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 6(2) (1830): 1090-1091 (Robert, Count of Mortain, styled "brother" [fratris] of King William the Conqueror in charter dated 1189). Guerard Cartulaire de l'Abbaye de Saint-Bertin (Coll. des Cartulaires de France 3) (1840): 462-463 (Count Robert, brother of the King [i.e., King William the Conqueror] witness to doc. dated c.1066-87). Le Prévost Notes pour servir el la Topographie et a l'Histoire des Communes du Département de l'Eure (1849): 30-31 (charter dated April 1066 witnessed by William, Duke of Normandy, his wife, Maud, and his "brother" [fratris], Robert). Desroches Annales civiles, militaires et généalogiques du Pays d'Avranches (1856): 58. Munford Analysis of the Domesday Book of the County of Norfolk (1858): 7-8. Delisle Rouleaux des Morts du IXe au XVe Siècle (1866): 207-208, 289-290. Delisle Chronique de Robert de Torigni 1 (1872): 319 ("Siquidem Robertus, comes Moritonii, uterinus frater Willermi regis qui regnum Angliæ subjugavit, habuit unum filium Guillermum, qui ei successit ... et tres filias, quarum unam duxit Andreas de Vitreio, aliam Guido de Laval, terciam comes Tolosanus, frater Raimundi comitis Sancti Ægidii, qui in expeditione Ierosolimitana viriliter se habuit. Genuit autem ex ea comes Tolosanus unam solummodo filiam, quam Guillermus, comes Pictavensis et dux Aquitanorum, mortuo patre prædictæ puellæ, cum hereditate propria, scilicet urbe Tolosa et comitatu Tolosano, duxit uxorem; ex qua genuit idem Guillermus filium Guillermum nomine, qui ei successit, qui pater fuit Alienor, reginæ Anglorum."). Planché The Conqueror & his Companions 1 (1874): 107-116 (biog. of Robert, Comte de Mortain and Earl of Cornwall). Le Fizelier Mémoire chronologique de Maucourt de Bourjolly seer la Ville de Laval 1 (1886): 122-128. Recueil des Historiens des Gaules et de la France 23 (1894): 583 (Ex Obtuario Ecclesiæ Moretoniensis: "8. Dec. Obiit Robertus comes Moretonii fundator istius ecclesi"). Two Cartularies of the Augustinian Priory of Bruton & Cluniac Priory of Montacute (Somerset Rec. Soc. 8) (1894): 119-120 (foundation charter of William, Count of Mortain for Montacute Cartulary dated 1102; charter names his parents, Count Robert and Countess Matilda). Round Cal. of Docs. Preserved in France 918-1206 (1899): 108, 256 (charter of Robert, Count of Mortain dated ?1085), 256-257 (charter of Robert, Count of Mortain and Almodis his wife dated 1087-91), 359, 433. Notes & Oueries 9th Ser. 8 (1901): 525-526. Bréard L’Abbaye de Notre-Dame de Grestain (1904.) Rpt. & Trans. of the Devonshire Assoc. for the Advancement of Science, Lit. & Art 2nd Ser. 8 (1906): 338-339. D.N.B. 13 (1909): 1014 (biog. of Robert of Mortain, Count of Mortain). VCH Somerset 2 (1911): 111-115. C.P. 3 (1913): 427- 428 (sub Cornwall). Douglas Domesday Monachorum (1944): 33-36. Hull Cartulary of St. Michael's Mount (Devon & Cornwall Rec. Soc. n.s. 5) (1962): 3-4. Douglas William the Conqueror (1964). D. Bates "Herluin de Conteville et sa famille" in Annales de Normandie 23 (1973): 21-38. Brown Angle-Norman Studies III (1981): 74-75. Hull Cartulary of Launceston Priory (Devon & Cornwall Rec. Soc. n.s. 30) (1987): 2-4 (charter of Robert, Count of Mortain, Earl of Cornwall brother [frater] of William King of the English, and Maud his wife dated 1076). Bates and Gazeau `L'Abbaye de Grestain & la Famille d'Herluin de Conteville,' in Annales de Normandie 40 (1990): 5-30. Anglo-Norman Studies 13 (1991): 119-144. Haskins Soc. Jour. 3 (1991): 161-162. Bates & Curry England & Normandy in the Middle Ages (1994): 136-137. Cownie Religious Patronage in Anglo-Norman England, 1066-1135 (1998): 197-199. Fleming Domesday Book & the Law (1998).

    Children of Robert, Count of Mortain, by Maud de Montgomery:
    i. AGNES OF MORTAIN
    ii. EMMA OF MORTAIN, married WILLIAM IV, Count of Toulouse

    Maud married de Conteville, Earl Robert on 3 Apr 1058 in Mortagne, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France. Robert (son of de Conteville, Herluin and de Falaise, Herleva) was born in 1031 in Conteville, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 9 Dec 1095 in Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France; was buried after 9 Dec 1095 in Grestain Abbey, Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 5. de Mortaigne, Agnes  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1066 in Mortain, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 1 May 1121 in Mortagne, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.

  2. 4.  de Montgomery, Lord Roger III Descendancy chart to this point (2.Mabel2, 1.WIlliam1) was born in 1058 in St Germain de Montgomery, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; died in 1123 in Charroux, Allier, Auvergne, France; was buried in 1123 in Grestain, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: La Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France; Count
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord of Lancaster
    • FSID: L1ZP-FLP

    Notes:

    Roger de Arundell, described in Domesday Book as holding lands in Dorset and Somerset, 20 Will Conqueror, A.D. 1086.

    Roger married de la Marche, Almodis in 1108. Almodis was born in 1062 in La Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France; died in 1116 in Poitou-Charentes, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. de la Marche, Poncia  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 1 Sep 1091 in Aquitaine, France; died in 1138 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; was buried in 1138 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.


Generation: 4

  1. 5.  de Mortaigne, Agnes Descendancy chart to this point (3.Maud3, 2.Mabel2, 1.WIlliam1) was born in 1066 in Mortain, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 1 May 1121 in Mortagne, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: M8X3-52W

    Family/Spouse: de Vitré, André. André (son of de Vitré, Seigneur of Vitré Robert I and de Craon, Berthe) was born on 28 May 1054 in Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France; died on 4 Dec 1139 in Orne, Basse-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 7. de Guingamp, Havise  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 17 Jun 1063 in Vitré, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France; died in DECEASED in England.

  2. 6.  de la Marche, Poncia Descendancy chart to this point (4.Roger3, 2.Mabel2, 1.WIlliam1) was born on 1 Sep 1091 in Aquitaine, France; died in 1138 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; was buried in 1138 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Countess of Angoulême
    • Appointments / Titles: Countess of de la Marche
    • FSID: LB7R-1BV

    Notes:

    Pontia de La Marche
    Birth: circa 1109 La March, Normandy, France
    Death: Angouleme,France
    Daughter of Roger 'le Poitevin' Montgommerie, comte de la Marche and Almodis, Comtesse de La Marche
    Wife of Vulgrin II, comte d'Angoulême
    Mother of Guillame Taillefer of Angouleme, Comte of Angouleme
    Sister of Amélie de Montgomery; Aldebert Iii de Montgommery, Comte De La Marche; Avice Peverell, Countess Lancaster & Nottingham; Boson de La Marche, Iv and Eudes / Odo Ii de La Marche, Comte

    Poncia married de Taillefer, Wulgrin II in 1123 in France. Wulgrin (son of de Taillefer, WIlliam V and de Benauges, Vitapoy) was born in 1089 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; died on 16 Sep 1140 in Bouteville, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; was buried on 16 Sep 1140 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. de Taillefer, WIlliam VI  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 20 Aug 1125 in Angoulême, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; died on 7 Aug 1178 in Messina, Messina, Sicilia, Italy; was buried on 7 Aug 1178 in Abbey of Notre-Dame de La Couronne, La Couronne, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.