Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:

Berthold Vorchtel - in Nuremberg
◆ Father: Conrad Vorchtel
◆ Born about 1245
◆ 1289 Schöffe

Daughter:
1. Els Vorchtel N718 , (* about? 1280)

∞ after 1305 with Ulrich Haller H103

(* about? 1260), † 16.7.1324, (death sign)

Mentioned in Nuremberg since 1293. 1297, 1314 councilman. In 1307 he buys the village Lauff. Financier and confidant of Emperor Ludwig of Bavaria and other princes. See Hall-21 / a

he ∞1) (about? 1285) with Anna Tockler N706

(* about? 1265)

ext. 1305

Regesten:
• 1289 Bertholt Forchtl in a jury:

• a letter from 1289: Kunigunda Turprechting , wife of Werner Gruntherr , bequeathed her estates to her brother's children (Berthold, Ulrich, Kunigund, Methild) that her husband had no power over it.
Issued by Schultheiß Marquart (certainly Pfinzing!) , Together with Heinrich Groß the parents, Werner Nuzel , Eberhardt Kessbasser , Berthold Forchtl , Cunrad Eßler , Weigel von Newenmarkt , Heinrich Groß the younger, Heinrich Holzschuher , as witnesses,

• Conrad Pfinzing , Berthold Turprecht , Werner Grundherr , Berthold Pfinzing Schultheiß and his father Conrad Pfinzing , Hermann vom Stein , Heinrich Staudigel , Leupold Staudigel .
[Internet 2013, Nuremberg Yearbooks vol. 1-2 p.83]

• Bertold Vorchtel, father of Els.
[A.Scharr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963 p.17]

→ I suspect that Berthold is a son of Conrad Vorchtel. (HDL)

• This or a younger one: Mintmaster Bertholt Vorchtel :

• 28.5.1330: Marquart sturgeon and his landlady Mrs. Jutta give their estate to Schweinau, where Conrad Friedel and his landlady Kunigund are sitting, to the Bamberg provost. Marquart sturgeon had previously bought the estate from the mint master Bertholt Vorchtel .
[CityA Nbg online]

→ This estate belongs to the 1341 Irmel Lemblinne .

Regesten zu Els Vorchtel:
• Her father: Heinrich Vorchtel in Nuremberg.
[Genealogy from all German regions]

→ According to Scharr, her father is Berthold Vorchtel .

• Elisabeth Vorchtel , parents: Bertold (? Heinrich) Vorchtel , † 1257 Nuremberg, ∞ Gertraud Roter .
[B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]

→ If Bertold died in 1257, he could not possibly be the father of Els (HDL).

Regesta to Anna Tockler:
[A. Scharr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963 p.17]

Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Els married Haller, Ulrich after 1305 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Ulrich was born in 1260 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany; died on 16 Jul 1324 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Gertraud married Zollner, Heinrich about 1325 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany. Heinrich (son of Zollner, Eberhard) was born about 1300 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany; died in 1369 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Ulrich Groland N896 -
Parents: Grol-21 / e Ulrich Groland Ni12 , Clara Ortlieb Ni13

(* about? 1330), † 1407

Father-in-law and partner of Ulman Stromeir. Councilor Nuremberg, erw. 1361

∞1) (about? 1350) with Elisabeth Zollner Nh81

(*? 1327)

her parents: Heinrich Zollner n218 , (* about? 1300), † 1369 in Bamberg
1357 on the Zollnerhof in Bamberg. "Heinrich Zolner gen. Von Schletten" † before 1376. See Zoln-23 / e ; ∞ (about? 1325) with Gertraud Haller H108 , (* about? 1306).

∞2) (about? 1365) with Elisabeth Schopper Na18

(*? 1345)

See Sopr-4 / p

her parents: Peter Schopper Nh82 , (* about? 1325), † 1401 in Nuremberg
In Nuremberg, 1360 named the council. See Sopr-3 / p ; ∞ with Catharina landlord Nh83 , (* about? 1325), † 1401 in Nuremberg.

Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Agnes Grolant N888 , * 25.11.1351, † 1413

∞ 21.11.1366 with Ulman / Ulrich Stromer N620

* 6.1.1329 in Nuremberg, † 3.4.1407 at the plague

Builder of the first German paper mill. About 1390-1407 he wrote the "Püchel vom miim sex and abentewr". Councilman; Diplomat with Emperor Charles IV and King Wenzel. See Stro-24 / d

his parents: Heinrich Stromer N613 , (* about? 1260), † 30.4.1347 in Nuremberg
1313: Mr. Hainrich, Mr. Conrat Stromeir's son. 1323 at the salt market. See Stro-23 / e ( Er ∞1) (about? 1291) with (Kunigunde) Gnatznapf N775 , (* about? 1282)
8 Kinder Stromer. ) ; ∞ (about? 1324) with Margarete Geusmid N663 , (* about? 1295), † 24.11.1350.

he ∞1) 1358 with Anna Hegner n978

(* about? 1338), † 1365

2. Hans, (* about? 1370) -, see Grol-23 / e

from 2nd marriage:
3. Els Groland Ne04 , (* about? 1365)

∞ with Hermann Stromer N826

(* about? 1340/1345), † 1406

In Nuremberg. See Stro-25 / a

his parents: Peter Stromer N653 , * 1292, † 4.12.1388
inventor of the softwood seed. In 1375, Lewpolt Schurstab and Fritz Lemlein testify for him. See Stro-24 / a ( Er ∞2) (1351) with Margarete Forstmeister N777 , (* about? 1330) ) ; ∞ with Siglint Ebner N776 , (* about? 1310), † 1350.

4. Hans, (* about? 1372) - Senator in Nuremberg, see Grol-23 / o

5. Gertraud Groland Nh80 , (* about? 1375), † 1407

∞ 1400 in Nuremberg with Franz Waldstromer Nh76

(* about? 1370), † ..11.1441

from 1427 bailiff of the Lorenzer forest. See Wstr-26 / e

his parents: Hans Waldstromer N637 , (* about? 1332), † 1395
Reichsforstmeister. See Wstr-25 / e ; ∞ with Anna v.Gravenreuth Ne89 , (* about? 1350).

he ∞2) 1407 in Nuremberg with Clara Grundherr Nj80

(* about? 1385)

6. Elisabeth Groland Nj07 , (* about? 1380), † 1413

∞ 1404 with Berthold Tucher Nb79

* 28.6.1386, † 6.5.1454 in Nuremberg St. Seebald

3x married but no son See Tuc-27 / a

his parents: Hans Tucher N874 , * 1368, † 11.11.1425
3 sons: Berthold (3x verh but no son), Hans, Endres See Tuc-26 / a ; ∞ 1385 with Anna Behaim N875 , * 1371, † 1436.

he ∞2) 15.6.1416 with Christina Holzschuher H352

(* about? 1402), † 22.7.1434 in Nuremberg

he ∞2) 15.6.1416 with Agnes Riegler H784

(* about? 1410)

Regesten:
[WvStromer: "Assembly" MVGN 52 p.64]

• Ulrich Groland , 1361-1398 Senator in Nuremberg, † 1407, buried St. Sebald. His parents: Ulrich Groland ∞ Clara Ortlieb .

• ∞1) Elisabeth Zollner from Bamberg, Tv Mr. Heinrich Zollner ∞ Gertraud Haller . - Son: Hans, becomes a senator in 1398, ∞ 1412 with Agnes Pfinzing .

• ∞2) Elisabeth Schopper , Tv Mr Peter Schopper ∞ Catharina Grundherr . - Children: Agnes, Elisabeth ∞ Stromer , Elisabeth ∞ Tucher , Gertraud, Hans.
[Biedermann panel 615 Groland]

→ Attention: There are siblings of the same name!

→ Attention: Some things might not be right here. For the daughter Agnes from second marriage is stated that she was born in 1351 . For the son Hans from his first marriage is stated that he became a senator in 1398, 1412 married and 1449 died. He would have to be born long after 1351, possibly only around 1360/70! So I suppose that the daughter Agnes comes from her first marriage. (HDL)

→ For the two half brothers Hans Groland is indicated in each case: died in anno 1449. Is that correct? For the younger Hans from second marriage is stated: "Hans Groland the old man". Is there some confused? (HDL)

Regesta to Gertraud Haller:
• Elisabeth Haller ∞ Heinrich Zollner . [Haller: 96.BHVB 1957/1958]

• Gertraud Haller , Tv Ulrich Haller ∞ Vorchtel , ∞1) Heinrich Zollner , ∞2) Peter Grundherr .
[Biedermann panel 62 D landlord] The first name Gertraud is probably wrong here (HDL).

Regesta to Agnes Grolant:
• She was a self-employed merchant as a widow. Her scribe was imprisoned in 1412 together with the writer of Ulrich Hirschvogel in Bohemia.
[Christa Schaper: "Hirschvogel", Nbger F'gen Bd.18 (1973) p.41]

Regesta to Anna Hegner:
• Ulmann Stromer , * 1328, ∞1) 1358 with Anna Hegner , Tv Ulrich Hegner . She † 1365, after she had two children born: Ulrich * 1360, † 1361; and Anna * 1364, she ∞ with Sebald Vorchtel .
[Biedermann panel 465B]

• Anna Hegner , † 1365, buried Heilig-Geist-Hospital Nuremberg, ∞ 1358 with Ulman Stromer .
[JAPast: Descendants Hegner, Mtlg 2014]

Regesta to Gertraud Groland:
[Biedermann panel 615]

Regesten to Elisabeth Groland:
• Elisabeth Groland † 1413, ∞ 1404 with Berthold Tucher * 1386, † 6.5.1454.
[Biedermann panel 615 Groland]

Elisabeth married Groland, Ulrich about 1350 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Ulrich (son of Groland, Ulrich and Ortlieb, Clara) was born about 1330 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in 1407 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]