FitzAlberic, Herbert of Winchester

Male 1060 - 1130  (70 years)


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  1. 1.  FitzAlberic, Herbert of Winchester was born in 1060 in Aisne, Picardie, France; died in 1130 in Winchester, Hampshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Chamberlain of Scotland
    • Appointments / Titles: Chamberlain to Henry II
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord Chamberlain of King Henry I
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord of Cornwall
    • Appointments / Titles: Tenant-in-Chief (under King Henry II)
    • FSID: L759-1GL

    Notes:

    Wikipedia

    Herbert of Winchester (sometimes Herbert fitzAlberic) was an Anglo-Norman nobleman during the period following the Norman conquest of England.

    Herbert held land as an under-tenant of the Archbishop of York in the Domesday Survey of 1089. He held the office of chamberlain of the Winchester treasury during the reign of King William II of England, and the office of chancellor and treasurer under King Henry I. During William II's reign, Herbert became a tenant-in-chief, holding lands directly from the king. Herbert may have been a member of the clergy, although it is known that he was married.

    Most sources state that Herbert married Emma, half-sister of King Stephen and Henry of Blois, Bishop of Winchester, and that she was an illegitimate daughter of Stephen II, Count of Blois, Stephen's father. New research, however, suggests that Emma might have been a daughter of Hunger fitzOdin, who held lands in Dorset in the Domesday survey.

    Herbert was the father of Herbert and William. William later became Archbishop of York. The younger Herbert became chamberlain to King David I of Scotland around 1156.

    Herbert was probably dead by 1129-1130, when the Pipe Roll of 1130 records his son as owing a fine for the inheritance of his father's lands, a fine totalling over 353 marks, perhaps as much as 500. However, there is no certain record of Herbert after 1111, and it is possible that he should be considered the same person as "H. the Chamberlain", who Abbot Suger of St Denis named as an attempted assassin of Henry I in 1118, and who was punished by the king for the attempt. Suger stated that the would-be-assassin was a chamberlain whose name began with "H", and who had been close to the king and received great rewards from the king. Suger added that the king only blinded and castrated the man, which the abbot considered to be mild compared with the hanging that the man deserved. William of Malmesbury does not name the assassin either, but relates that he had custody of the royal treasury. The historian C. Warren Hollister first made the identification between "H." and Herbert, noting that there was only one chamberlain in King Henry I's reign who had a name beginning with "H". The main argument against the identification is the fact that most records considered that Herbert remained in office until close to 1129 or 1130. However, charter evidence supports the inheritance of Herbert's lands by his son before 1121.

    1 Biography
    1.1 Name
    1.2 1060 Birth
    1.3 Reported Vermandois Ancestry -probably due to the influence and number of relatives ofthe Herbertian Dynasty intermingled with the Vermandois.
    1.4 1066 Battle of Hastings -Herbert I
    1.5 1089 Domesday Survey
    1.6 Chamberlain of the Winchester Treasury
    1.7 1101 Charter
    1.8 Properties in Yorkshire and Gloucestershire
    1.9 1086 Marriage to Emma
    1.10 1100 Second Marriage to Millisent
    1.11 1129 Death
    1.12 Issue
    2 Research Notes
    2.1 UNKNOWN/UNPROVEN ANCESTRY -- DO NOT ATTACH ANY PARENTS! (OCTOBER 2014)
    3 Sources
    4 Acknowledgements
    Biography
    Per Wikipedia:

    Name
    "Herbert I of Winchester (sometimes Herbert fitzAlberic)[1] was an Anglo-Norman nobleman during the period following the Norman conquest of England. [1]

    Herbert of Winchester (also styled Herbert The Chamberlain), Chamberlain and Treasurer under Kings William II and Henry I. [2]

    Herbert "The Chamberlain" of Winchester. [3]

    1060 Birth
    Herbert was born about 1060 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. [3]

    According to Geni, without other citation, he was the son of Herbert Cornwell FitzGodwyn [3]

    The primary source which confirms Herbert FitzHenry's parentage has not yet been identified. [4]

    Reported Vermandois Ancestry
    "This very ancient family from which the chivalrous house of Herbert and other eminent houses sprang, derived originally in England from Herbert, styled Count of Vermandois, who came over at the Conquest with the first William and filled the office of Chamberlain to William Rufus. He was great-grandson of Herbert, Comte de Vermandois, the lineal descendant of Charlemagne. [5]

    He is often called a son of Piers de Vermandois, who was probably invented to provide a genealogical link to the counts of Vermandois. According to Weis, his ancestry has not been proven. Burke's Commoners, a notoriously unreliable source, says he was a great grandson of Héribert de Vermandois.[3]

    1089 Domesday Survey
    "Herbert held land as an under-tenant of the Archbishop of York in the Domesday Survey of 1089.[2] [1]

    Chamberlain of the Winchester Treasury
    He held the office of chamberlain of the Winchester treasury during the reign of King William II of England,[3] and the office of chancellor and treasurer under King Henry I.[4] [1]

    He was Chamberlain and Treasurer of England under William II and Henry I [3]

    1101 Charter
    "…Herbertus regis camerarius…" subscribed a charter dated Sep 1101 under which Bishop Herbert donated property to Norwich priory[152]. [4]

    Properties in Yorkshire and Gloucestershire
    Chamberlain of Henry I King of England. An undated charter of Thomas Archbishop of York records that "domino Herberto Camerario et filio eius" were enfeoffed with "Laudesbrough, cum Tolethorpe, Wiverthorpe cum Helperthorp et duabus Luttunis in Turgisleby" and other properties in Yorkshire and in Gloucestershire, witnessed by "…Herbertus filius…"[153].[4]

    During William II's reign, Herbert became a tenant-in-chief, holding lands directly from the king. Herbert may have been a member of the clergy, although it is known that he was married.[5][1]

    1086 Marriage to Emma
    Marriage Date Estimation: Current birth year for oldest son is 1087. Estimate marriage the year prior.

    His wife was Emma, daughter of Stephen, Earl of Blois, by Adela, daughter of William the Conqueror, and by that lady left a son and heir, Herbert Fitz-Herbert." [5]

    "Most sources state that Herbert married Emma, half-sister of King Stephen and Henry of Blois, Bishop of Winchester,[6] and that she was an illegitimate daughter of Stephen II, Count of Blois, Stephen's father.[7] New research, however, suggests that Emma might have been a daughter of Hunger fitz Odin, who held lands in Dorset in the Domesday survey.[3][8][1]

    He married Emma ______, allegedly an illegitimate daughter of Etienne Henri, Count of Blois, and half-sister to Stephen, King of England. [2]

    He married first Emma de Blois-Champagne[3]

    m firstly EMMA de Blois, illegitimate daughter of ETIENNE Comte de Blois & his mistress --- (before 1102-). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.[4]

    1100 Second Marriage to Millisent
    Marriage Year Estimation. Assume Emma's death as untimely and his subsequent marriage to Millisent while there were children at home.

    He married secondly Milisent. [3]

    m secondly MILISENT, daughter of [ADAM], niece of William Turniant. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.[4]

    1129 Death
    Sir Herbert Of Winchester was living in 1111, when he was a member of the Michelmas treasury court at Winchester. [2]

    However, there is no certain record of Herbert after 1111, and it is possible that he should be considered the same person as "H. the Chamberlain", who Abbot Suger of St Denis named as an attempted assassin of Henry I in 1118, and who was punished by the king for the attempt.[3] Suger stated that the would-be-assassin was a chamberlain whose name began with "H", and who had been close to the king and received great rewards from the king. Suger added that the king only blinded and castrated the man, which the abbot considered to be mild compared with the hanging that the man deserved. William of Malmesbury does not name the assassin either, but relates that he had custody of the royal treasury. The historian C. Warren Hollister first made the identification between "H." and Herbert, noting that there was only one chamberlain in King Henry I's reign who had a name beginning with "H". The main argument against the identification is the fact that most records considered that Herbert remained in office until close to 1129 or 1130. However, charter evidence supports the inheritance of Herbert's lands by his son before 1121.[9][1]

    Herbert [1] [2] Herbert Fitz Herbert II, lord of Blaen Llyfni [3] HERBERT FitzHerbert [I] (-[before 1155]The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Herbt fil Herbti Camer…tra patis sui" in Hampshire[154]. An undated charter of Thomas Archbishop of York records that "domino Herberto Camerario et filio eius" were enfeoffed with "Laudesbrough, cum Tolethorpe, Wiverthorpe cum Helperthorp et duabus Luttunis in Turgisleby" and other properties in Yorkshire and in Gloucestershire, witnessed by "…Herbertus filius…"[155].

    "…Hereberto filio Hereberti…" subscribed a charter of Renaud Earl of Cornwall which names "matertere mee Aliz Corbet"[156]. m ([1115/25]) SIBYL Corbet Lady of Alcester and Pontesbury, formerly mistress of HENRY I King of England, daughter of ROBERT Corbet of Alcester, co Warwick & his wife --- ([1090/95]-after 1157).

    Family/Spouse: de Blois, Emma. Emma was born in 1073 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Centre, France; died in 1187 in Aquitaine, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. FitzHerbert, Herbert  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1087 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; died in 1155 in Winchester, Hampshire, England.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  FitzHerbert, Herbert Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born in 1087 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; died in 1155 in Winchester, Hampshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: 9CS3-646
    • Occupation: King's Chamberlain

    Family/Spouse: Corbet, Sibylla. Sibylla (daughter of Corbet, Robert) was born in 1092 in Shropshire, England; died in 1157 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; was buried in 1157 in Pontesbury, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 3. FitzHerbert, Herbert  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1129 in Brecon, Breconshire, Wales; died on 18 Jul 1204 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; was buried after 18 Jul 1204 in Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, Gloucestershire, England.


Generation: 3

  1. 3.  FitzHerbert, Herbert Descendancy chart to this point (2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1129 in Brecon, Breconshire, Wales; died on 18 Jul 1204 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; was buried after 18 Jul 1204 in Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, Gloucestershire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: K2SV-HJ7
    • Occupation: Chamberlain to King Stephen

    Notes:

    Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
    HERBERT FitzHerbert [II], son of HERBERT FitzHerbert [I] & his wife Sibyl Corbet ([1125/35]-before 18 Jul 1204)
    m LUCY of Hereford, daughter of MILES of Gloucester Earl of Hereford & his wife Sibylle de Neufmarché (before 1143-[1219/20] or after, bur Lanthony Priory, Gloucester).
    ... A manuscript in Aske’s collections names “Milo…Erle of Herforde, Lord of Bricone and of all the Forest of Done, and also Constable of England…Sibbill wiff of the seid Milo…Luce the third daughter of the seid Milo Erle…” among those buried at Lanthony Priory[636].

    Herbert & his wife had two children:
    1. REYNOLD FitzHerbert (-[1190/92]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.
    2. PIERS FitzHerbert of Blaenllyfni (-before 6 Jun 1235, bur Reading).
    ... The Annals of Tewkesbury record the death "Kal Jul" [date must be inaccurate in light of the 6 Jun 1235 order cited under his son Herbert] in 1235 of “Petrus filius Hereberti” and his burial at Reading[644].
    m firstly (marriage settlement 28 Nov 1203) ALICE, daughter of ROBERT FitzRoger of Warkworth & his wife Margery de Chesney. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
    m secondly as her second husband, ISABEL de Ferrers, widow of ROGER de Mortimer of Wigmore, daughter of WALKELIN de Ferrers & his wife --- (-before 29 Apr 1252, bur Lechlade). A manuscript narrating the foundation of Wigmore Abbey records that “Isabella…filia domini de Ferrers de Lechlade” was the second wife of “domini Rogeri”, adding that she became a nun “apud Lechelade” and was buried there[645]. “Rogerus de Mortuomari…et dominæ Isabellæ uxoris meæ” donated property to Kington St Michael by undated charter, witnessed by “Philippo de Mortuomari…”[646]. An order dated [Apr] 1225 delayed repayment from "Peter fitz Herbert and Isabella his wife" of a "debt of Henry de Ferrers brother of the same Isabella"[647]. King Henry III confirmed inheritance of property by "Henricus de Fraxneto" to "Petro filio Herberti et Isabelle uxori eius" dated [Jun] 1232[648].
    Piers & his first wife had two children:
    a) HERBERT FitzPiers of Blaenllyfni (-before 27 May 1248). A document dated 6 Jun 1235 records the homage of “Herbert son of Peter fitz Herbert and heir of the same” for the property “which Peter fitz Herbert held in chief and which fall to Herbert by hereditary right” to which he was granted full right[649].
    b) REYNOLD FitzPiers (-4/5 May 1286). "Reginald son of Peter" was granted rights in "demesne lands in Lechamstede, co. Berks" dated 26 Sep 1257[650].

    3. MATTHEW FitzHerbert (-[13 Jun 1230/Feb 1231]). The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Mathaeus filius Herberti" holding one knight’s fee "Stoke" in Wiltshire, and one in Devonshire from "honor Gloucestriæ", in [1210/12][651]. A letter of Henry III King of England to the bishop of Rochester, dated 13 Jun 1230, appointing him to make an assize of arms in Kent, names "Petrus filius Hereberti…Matthæus filius Hereberti" as those charged with a similar exercise in Berkshire and Wiltshire respectively[652]. Matthew, his wife and descendants are shown by Eyton but the primary sources which confirm the information have not yet been identified[653]. m (before Jun 1200) JOAN Patric, daughter of --- & his wife Mabel Patric[654] (-after 21 Feb 1231). Bracton records a claim, dated 1219, by "Robertus filius Briani, Oliuerus Auenel, Gaufridus Talebot et Adam de Dornapetona" against "Matheum filium Hereberti et Johannam uxorem eius"[655].
    Matthew & his wife had three children:
    a) HERBERT FitzMatthew (-3 or 5 Feb 1245). "Herbert son of Matthew" was granted "the manor of Warblinton, late of Robert de Curcy" dated 10 Jun 1231[656]. "Herbert son of Matthew" was granted "a weekly market…at Emeleswurth…" dated 20 Apr 1239[657]. m MILLICENT Paynell, daughter of WILLIAM Paynell of Bampton, Devon & his wife Alice Briwere (-before 1249). The Complete Peerage states that Herbert FitzMatthew married “Milicent da. and coh. of William Paynel of Bampton, Devon” but does not cite the corresponding primary source[658]. An indication of the connection between the two families is provided by the order dated 4 Feb 1228 under which Henry III King of England granted "custodiam terre et heredis Willelmi Paynel" to "Hereberto filio Mathey" and ordered the sheriff of Devon to release them to him[659]. She must have died childless before 1249 when an inquisitions after her brother’s death name his sister Aude as his heir.
    b) PETER FitzMatthew (-1255). Land recovered from "Peter son of Matthew" was regranted dated 18 Aug 1252[660].
    c) JOHN FitzMatthew (-before 19 Jan 1261). A debt of "Peter son of Matthew" was granted, to be received from "John son of Matthew brother and heir of the said Peter son of Matthew" dated 28 Dec 1256[661]. m[662] as her first husband, MARGARET de Berkeley, daughter of THOMAS de Berkeley of Berkeley, Gloucestershire & his wife Joan [de Somery]. She married secondly (before 18 Oct 1265) Ansel Basset of Winford and Saltford, Somerset.
    John & his wife had one child:
    i) MATTHEW FitzJohn (-31 May 1309). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. m ELEANOR, daughter of --- (-after 4 Jul 1325). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

    https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#HerbertFitzHerbertdied1204B

    Herbert married FitzMiles, Lady Lucy of GloucesterBlaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales. Lucy was born in 1136 in Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire, England; died in 1220 in Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in 1220 in Llanthony Secunda Priory, Hempsted, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 4. FitzHerbert, Sir Piers  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1163 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; died on 1 Jun 1235 in Reading, Berkshire, England; was buried on 6 Jun 1235 in Reading, Berkshire, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 4.  FitzHerbert, Sir Piers Descendancy chart to this point (3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1163 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; died on 1 Jun 1235 in Reading, Berkshire, England; was buried on 6 Jun 1235 in Reading, Berkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Baron of Barnstable
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord of Alcester
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord of Blaen Llyfni
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord of Brecknock
    • FSID: KFTX-CQR
    • Occupation: Governor of Pickering Castle
    • Occupation: Sheriff of Yorkshire

    Notes:

    Piers FitzHerbert, Lord of Brecknock & Alcester, Gov of Pickering Castle 2nd s/o & heir of Herbert FitzHerbert, Chamberlain & Lucy FitzWalter (FitzMiles) b- 1165 - 2nd son & eventual heir - Brecknock,Breconshire, Wales m-1- Alice d/o Robert FitzRoger m-2- Alice d/o sir, Blethin Braodspear, Lord of Efan Powell & Betbersley m-3- Isabel , co-heir & d/o Willaim Braiose of Bramber & Eva widow of David Ap Lewelyn, Prince of Wales 2/2/2021 Note: Isabel, 3rd wife, is not the same as Isabella de Braose (1222-1248) that married David ap Llwewlyn. d- 1235 - Reading, Berkshire, England no date - Herbert FitzHerbert , with consent of his wife Lucy & his son Reginald, gave to Monks of Waverley, Shropshire - all his lands in Bonsette wit- PIERS & Matthew his sons 1204 - heir - Alcester, Warwickshire (1/2 moiety) (seized) - Ratlington, Shropshire no date - from King John - Honor of Barnstable, Devonshire (which were part of the Possessions of William Braoise) 1216 - rebelled against King John - land forfiet - later restored 1221 - siege of Bithum Castle, Lincolnshire **********************************
    Foundation for Medieval Genealogy

    PIERS FitzHerbert of Blaenllyfni (-1 Jul 1235, bur Reading). The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1194/95], records "Petrus filius Herberti" paying "xv s, iii partes [militis]" in Berkshire[603]. The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Petrus filius Herberti" holding one knight’s fee "Manekeford" in Wiltshire, and three in Yorkshire, in [1210/12][604]. The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Petrus filius Herberti et Willelmus de Boterellis" holding "tres partes" in Warwickshire in [1210/12][605]. Matthew Paris names “...Petrus filius Hereberti...” among the "consiliarios iniquissimos” of King John[606]. Henry III King of England granted "terris Petri filii Herberti" to "fratri nostro Olivero filio Regis" dated 20 Mar 1217[607]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in Oxfordshire, dated 1219, which includes "Petrus filius Herberti" holding land "in Walinton…hundredo de Puritona"[608]. A letter of Henry III King of England to the bishop of Rochester, dated 13 Jun 1230, appointing him to make an assize of arms in Kent, names "Petrus filius Hereberti…Matthæus filius Hereberti" as those charged with a similar exercise in Berkshire and Wiltshire respectively[609]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record the death "Kal Jul" in 1235 of “Petrus filius Hereberti” and his burial at Reading[610]. m firstly (marriage settlement 28 Nov 1203) ALICE, daughter of ROBERT FitzRoger of Warkworth & his wife Margery de Chesney. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. m secondly as her second husband, ISABEL de Ferrers, widow of ROGER de Mortimer of Wigmore, daughter of WALKELIN de Ferrers & his wife --- (-before 29 Apr 1252, bur Lechlade). A manuscript narrating the foundation of Wigmore Abbey records that “Isabella…filia domini de Ferrers de Lechlade” was the second wife of “domini Rogeri”, adding that she became a nun “apud Lechelade” and was buried there[611]. “Rogerus de Mortuomari…et dominæ Isabellæ uxoris meæ” donated property to Kington St Michael by undated charter, witnessed by “Philippo de Mortuomari…”[612]. An order dated [Apr] 1225 delayed repayment from "Peter fitz Herbert and Isabella his wife" of a "debt of Henry de Ferrers brother of the same Isabella"[613]. King Henry III confirmed inheritance of property by "Henricus de Fraxneto" to "Petro filio Herberti et Isabelle uxori eius" dated [Jun] 1232[614]. Piers & his first wife had two children: a) HERBERT FitzPiers of Blaenllyfni (-before 27 May 1248). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. b) REYNOLD FitzPiers (-4/5 May 1286). "Reginald son of Peter" was granted rights in "demesne lands in Lechamstede, co. Berks" dated 26 Sep 1257[615]. for Medieval Genealogy. -
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    Peter FitzHerbert, also known as Piers FitzHerbert, (died 1235) Lord of Blenlevenny, was a 13th and 14th century nobleman and Sheriff of Yorkshire. FitzHerbert was one of the Counsellors named in Magna Carta in 1215. He was the son of Herbert FitzHerbert and Lucy of Hereford. Life FitzHerbert was the son of Herbert FitzHerbert and Lucy of Hereford. FitzHerbert gained the title of Lord of the Honour of Brecknock and was made Governor of Pickering Castle, Yorkshire and the Sheriff of Yorkshire by King John of England. FitzHerbert is listed as one of the Counsellors named in Magna Carta in 1215. He inherited, through his mother, a thrid interest in the barony of Miles Fitz Walter of Gloucester in 1219. FitzHerbert's castles of Blenlevenny and Castell Dinas were sacked by Prince Llywelyn ab Iorwerth and Richard Marshal, 3rd Earl of Pembroke in October 1233. He died in 1235 and was buried at Reading Abbey, Yorkshire. Marriage and issue FitzHerbert married Alice, the daughter of Robert fitzRoger, Lord of Warkworth and Clavering and Margaret de Chesney, they had the following issue: 1.) Herbert FitzPiers (died 1248), succeeded by his brother Reginald. 2.) Reginald FitzPiers, married firstly Alice, daughter and heir of William de Standford, had issue and married Joan, widow of Ingram de Percy, daughter and heir of William de Fortibus and Maud de Ferrers, had further issue. 3.) Lucy FitzPiers, married William de Ros of Helmsley, had issue. He married secondly, Isabel, the widow of Roger Mortimer of Wigmore, the daughter of Walchelin de Ferriers of Oakham. They had no issue.

    Piers married FitzRobert, Alice on 28 Nov 1203 in Clavering, Essex, England. Alice (daughter of FitzRichard, Sir Robert and de Chesney, Lady Margaret) was born on 12 Apr 1185 in Warkworth Castle, Warkworth, Northumberland, England; died on 12 Apr 1225 in Blaenllyfni Castle, Bwlch, Breconshire, Wales; was buried after 12 Apr 1225 in Breconshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 5. FitzPiers, Lucy  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1207 in Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England; died on 29 Sep 1266 in Yorkshire, England; was buried on 29 Sep 1266 in Kirkham Abbey, Kirkham, Yorkshire, England.

    Piers married de Ferrers, Lady Isabel Millicent in 1225. Isabel was born on 28 Feb 1166 in Oakham Hall, Oakham, Rutland, England; was christened after 28 Feb 1166 in Tutbury Castle, Tutbury, Staffordshire, England; died on 6 May 1252 in Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England; was buried on 7 May 1252 in Chapel of St John The Baptist Hospital, Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]



Generation: 5

  1. 5.  FitzPiers, Lucy Descendancy chart to this point (4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1207 in Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England; died on 29 Sep 1266 in Yorkshire, England; was buried on 29 Sep 1266 in Kirkham Abbey, Kirkham, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Baroness of Ros
    • FSID: LBHB-XW7

    Notes:

    Baroness de Ros
    Daughter of Piers FitzHerbert of Blaen Llyfni, Breconshire, Wales and Alice FitzRobert, daughter of Robert FitzRoger of Warkworth, Northumbria. They were married before 24 Jan 1234 and had six sons and two daughters.

    Their son Robert Robert de Ros of Helmsley, Yorkshire, born before 1237, was the grandson of Sir Robert de Ros, one of the twenty-five barons who guaranteed the observance of Magna Carta, and Isabel of Scotland, an illegitimate daughter of William the Lion, King of the Scots, by a daughter of Robert Avenel.
    Robert was the son of Sir William de Ros (died c.1264/5) and Lucy FitzPeter, the daughter of Peter FitzHerbert and Alice FitzRoger. He had five brothers, Sir Peter, Sir William, Sir Alexander, Sir Herbert, and John, and two sisters, Lucy and Alice.

    Family/Spouse: de Ros, Sir William I. William was born in 1192 in Helmsley, Yorkshire, England; died on 23 Dec 1264 in Yorkshire, England; was buried on 23 Dec 1264 in Kirkham Abbey, Kirkham, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. de Ros, William II  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1244 in Ingmanthorpe, Yorkshire, England; died on 28 May 1310 in Yorkshire, England; was buried on 28 May 1310 in Greyfriars, York, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 6

  1. 6.  de Ros, William II Descendancy chart to this point (5.Lucy5, 4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1244 in Ingmanthorpe, Yorkshire, England; died on 28 May 1310 in Yorkshire, England; was buried on 28 May 1310 in Greyfriars, York, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: 3rd Baron of Helmsley
    • Appointments / Titles: 5th Baron of Hamlak
    • Appointments / Titles: Baron of Ingmanthorpe
    • Appointments / Titles: Lord of Hamlak
    • FSID: KCWL-V3H

    Notes:

    Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors

    Sir William de Roos
    Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
    b. circa 1244, d. circa 28 May 1310
    Father Sir William de Roos
    b. c 1193, d. 1258 or 1264
    Mother Lucia FitzPiers d. a 29 Sep 1266

    Sir William de Roos was born circa 1244 at of Ingmanthorpe, Yorkshire, England.

    He married Eustache FitzHugh, daughter of Ralph FitzHugh and Joan de la Haye, between 1 January 1268 and 29 September 1268;

    They had 1 son (Sir William) and 5 daughters (Lucy, wife of Sir Robert de Plumpton; Isabel, wife of Sir Marmaduke de Thweng; Margaret; Ivette(Juetta), wife of Sir Geoffrey le Scrope; & Mary, Prioress of Rosedale Priory).

    Sir William de Roos died circa 28 May 1310;
    Buried at Grey Friars, York, Yorkshire, beside his wife.

    Family
    Eustache FitzHugh d. bt 1301 - 28 May 1310

    Children
    Isabel de Roos b. c 1269, d. 1309
    Sir William de Ros b. c 1270, d. b 12 Nov 1334
    Lucia de Roos b. c 1272, d. a 1332
    Margaret de Roos b. c 1276
    Mary de Roos, Prioress of Rosedale b. c 1278, d. 1310
    Juetta (Ivette) de Roos b. c 1280, d. b 1331

    Citations
    William Ros, Knight of Inghamthorpe
    3rd son of sir William Ros, Knight of Helmsley and Lucy FitzPeter
    born 1244 - Helmlsey, Yorkshire,England
    married 1268 - Eustachia FitzRalph, widow of Nicholas Cantilupe
    died bef 28 May 1310 - Ingmanthorpe, Yorkshire,England

    1247 - heir of Agatha Trussebut - Ingmanthrope, Yorkshire
    11 October 1389 - sir, William Ros, jr, of Inmanthorpe - paid homage for manor of Mushamp

    William married FitzHugh, Eustacia in 1278 in England. Eustacia (daughter of FitzHugh, Ralph and de la Haye, Joane) was born in 1249 in Gainford, Durham, England; died in May 1310 in England; was buried in May 1310 in York, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 7. de Ros, Lucy  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1270 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died in 1332 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; was buried in 1332 in Ryther, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 7

  1. 7.  de Ros, Lucy Descendancy chart to this point (6.William6, 5.Lucy5, 4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1270 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died in 1332 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; was buried in 1332 in Ryther, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: LJYJ-67D

    Notes:

    Lucy Ros
    d/o William Ros,Knt, & Eustchie FitzRaplh
    b- 1270 - Ingmanthorpe, Yorkshire, England
    m- sir, Robert III Plumpton her marriage portion - rent in Middleton & Langber, pasture & wood in Nesfield
    d- 1332 - Plumpton, Yorkshire, England

    Lucy married Plumpton, Robert in 1294 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England. Robert was born in 1275 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died in 1324 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; was buried in 1325 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. Plumpton, Sir William  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1295 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died in 1362 in Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England.


Generation: 8

  1. 8.  Plumpton, Sir William Descendancy chart to this point (7.Lucy7, 6.William6, 5.Lucy5, 4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1295 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died in 1362 in Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: L23X-LTL

    Notes:

    sir,William Plumpton, Lord of Jesmond by right of wife's dower, Sheriff of Yorkshire 1349
    s/o sir Robert III Plumpton & Lucia Ros
    b- 1295 - Plumpton, Spofforth, Yorkshire, England
    m-1- 1322 - Alice Beaufitz, heiress d- by 1334 no suviving issue
    m-2- 1334 - 3rd husband - Christina Mowbray
    d- 13622 - Plumpton, Yorkshire, England

    From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Plumpton-3
    Biography
    Sir William de Plumpton was born circa 1297 at of Plumpton, Yorkshire, England, the son of Sir Robert de Plumpton and Lucia de Roos.[1][2]

    "Sir William de Plumpton was descended through his mother from William the Lion, King of Scotland. [COMPLETE PEERAGE (hereafter CP) 11: 92-93, 117-118.] Plumpton's first marriage was to Alice, daughter and heir of Sir Henry Beaufiz [also seen as Beaufitz and Byaufiz]. They were married no later than 14 April 1322, the date of a settlement by his father upon Sir William and Alice, his wife, and heirs of their bodies of the manor of Nesfield. [PLUMPTON CORRESPONDENCE, ed. Thomas Stapleton, CAMDEN SOCIETY PUBLICATIONS no. 4 (1839), p. xx.] At the death of Sir Henry in 1325, Alice was said to be aged 28 and more. [CIPM 6: 399.] If she were born about 1297, and considering that this was likely the first marriage for each of them, Sir William's birth year can be estimated at 1295. No surviving children resulted from this marriage and Alice was dead by 30 June 1334 when Christiana de Emeldon's dower was "made to the said William and Cristiana." [CCR Edward III 1333-1337, p. 319.]

    "The Plumptons had since ancient times held most of their Yorkshire properties as tenants of the Percys, and in 1295, Sir Robert de Plumpton, Sir William's grandfather, adopted "the armorial insignia of his lord paramount, 'the Sire de Percy,'" slightly modified. [Stapleton, pp. xvii-xix.] William de Plumpton had been knighted by 19 September 1328 when he and his brother-in-law Sir Peter de Middelton witnessed a charter by Sir Henry Percy. [CPR Edward III 1327-1330, p. 398.]

    "On 24 August 1330, before Sir William married Christiana, a commission of oyer and terminer convened to hear the complaint of John, Lord Mowbray, that a large number of men, including Plumpton and Sir Peter de Middelton, had "entered his free chaces and warrens" at Kirkby Malzeard and other Mowbray holdings in Yorkshire and had "hunted there without license, and carried away deer, hares, rabbits, partridges, and pheasants." [CPR Edward III 1327-1330, p. 569.] Henry and Geoffrey le Scrope, members of the commission, were related to Plumpton. Geoffrey's wife was Juetta de Ros, a sister of Plumpton's mother Lucy de Ros. The complaint made by Mowbray may reflect enmity arising from the fact that Plumpton had acquired an interest in the manor of Kirkby Malzeard through his father-in-law, Sir Henry Beaufiz, who held "the manor of Kirkeby Malasart, now in the king's hand through the forfeiture of John de Moubray," a reference to Lord Mowbray's father who was executed after being captured at Boroughbridge in 1322. [CIPM 6: 399.]

    "Neighborly relations may have improved for many years, because it was not until 20 August 1351 that a commission of oyer and terminer was convened on the complaint of John, Lord Mowbray, that Plumpton, who was then the Sheriff of York, and others had entered Mowbray's free chace at Kirkby Malzeard, hunted therein, carried away deer, and assaulted his men. On the same day, another such commission looked into a complaint made by Blanche de Mowbray that Plumpton and others had "broke her closes and houses" and drove away oxen and cows at several other Mowbray holdings in Yorkshire. [CPR Edward III 1350-1354, pp. 159-160.] Blanche is identified as the daughter of John de Mowbray on 10 August 1349 in CCR 23 Edward III 1349-1354, p. 51. The last of Lord Mowbray's complaints of poaching against Plumpton and several other prominent Yorkshire men was heard by a commission of oyer and terminer on 20 October 1354. This action again complained of an entry into his free chace at Kirkby Malzeard as well as at Burton in Lonesdale, County of York, the hunting and carrying away of deer, and assaults upon his men. [CPR Edward III 1354-1358, p. 130.]

    "Kirkby Malzeard, a locale of all three of Lord Mowbray's complaints of poaching against Plumpton and his associates, was a major holding of the Mowbrays. [CIPM 3: 357.] As noted above, Plumpton also had an interest in Kirkby Malzeard through his father-in-law who had acquired it from the Crown after its forfeiture by John I, Lord Mowbray, executed following the Battle of Boroughbridge. On 24 April 1345, Plumpton received a license for the alienation in mortmain affecting some of his holdings in Kirkby Malzeard and elsewhere in Yorkshire for the celebration of divine services in the church of St. Wilfrid, Ripon, for his good estate, his soul when he is dead, and the souls of his parents, ancestors, and heirs. [CPR Edward III 1343-1345, p. 455.] In any event, Kirkby Malzeard continued to be listed as one of the four Mowbray manors in Yorkshire. [CIPM 11: 138-139 (1361).]

    "Although the Plumpton holdings were mostly in Yorkshire, he eventually acquired an estate in Nothumberland which was not part of Christiana's dower. As early as 1346 and as late as 1358, "William de Plumpton and Christiana his wife" held the manor of Brenkley, located 7 miles NNW of Newcastle, of Sir John de Eure for one-eighth of a knight's fee. [FEUDAL AIDS 4: 57-59; and NCH 12: 522-523.]

    "Sir William de Plumpton served as a Member of Parliament representing Yorkshire in 1331. [Godfrey Richard Park, PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION OF YORKSHIRE (1886), p. 288.] He was on many occasions called upon for his services in the North of England. On 10 February 1354 and again on 2 July 1354, Plumpton and others were appointed justices to enforce the Statute of Labourers in parts of Yorkshire. [CPR Edward III 1354-1358, pp. 58-61.]

    "On 20 January 1347, an order of appointment by the king's council noted that "William de Plumpton who is of the retinue of Henry de Percy" was "about to go in his company to the march of Scotland for the defence thereof." [CFR Edward III 1337-1347, p. 493.] The Percys, long an important family in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, had become dominant landowners in Northumberland as the result of their 1309 purchase of Alnwick from the Bishop of Durham. [CP 10: 458.] King Edward III having made over to Henry Percy the reversionary interests in Warkworth and other Clavering estates on 2 March 1328, they passed to the Percy family in 1332 upon the death of John de Clavering. [W. Percy Hedley, NORTHUMBERLAND FAMILIES (1968) 1: 161.] Sir William de Plumpton was no doubt a member of Henry Percy's retinue because Plumpton owed knight's service to Percy (1301-1352), his feudal lord. Percy must have called upon Plumpton for services in his retinue with some frequency. Percy took "part in the siege of Berwick, of which he was made the keeper, and fought at Halidon Hill." [CP 10: 461.] This is the battle in which Richard de Emeldon was killed.

    "Plumpton and Lord Mowbray served together at least four times on commissions of oyer and terminer. First, Mowbray and Plumpton served on a commission convened on 8 February 1350 to hear a complaint by Christopher Maillore that several miscreants had "broke his close and houses" at Hoton Conyers, Yorkshire, and done other damage. [CPR Edward III 1348-1350, p. 520.] On 6 July 1352, Lord Mowbray and two others were added to a commission of which Plumpton was a member and which looked into a claim that a ship had been broken up and its timbers carried away. [CPR Edward III 1350-1354, p. 289.] On 10 July 1356, Plumpton, Lord Mowbray, and three others were members of a commission that heard a complaint that an abbot, his fellow monks, and others had besieged a house near Knaresborough in Yorkshire and carried away goods. [CPR Edward III 1354-1358, p. 498.] Last, on 26 June 1361, Lord Mowbray and Plumpton served together on a commission that heard a complaint by the Abbot of Fountains that disturbers of the peace had entered his free chaces and free warrens, felled trees, and carried away game from several places in Yorkshire. [CPR Edward III 1358-1361.] This may have been the last time that Lord Mowbray and Sir William de Plumpton were together as Mowbray died on 4 October 1361. [CP 9: 383.]

    "Plumpton's life, too, was coming to an end. "He died 36 Edw. III. 1362, towards the close of the year." [Stapleton, p. xxi.] Christiana survived her husband for about a year, the date of her death in 1363 being given both as "20 December" and the "Saturday after Christmas." [CIPM 11: 459-460.]William de Plumpton ... " [3]

    Marriage & Children
    A settlement for the marriage Sir William de Plumpton and Alice Beaufitz was made on 14 April 1322; They had no issue.[4][5]
    Sir William de Plumpton married, secondly, Christian Mowbray before 24 February 1334. They had 1 son & 1 daughter:[4][5]
    Sir Robert
    Alice, wife of Sir Richard de Sherburne, & of Sir John le Boteler
    Sources
    ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 365.
    ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 385.
    ↑ http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/sources/mowbray/christiana2.shtml
    ↑ 4.0 4.1 Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 365-366.
    ↑ 5.0 5.1 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 385-386.
    "Royal Ancestry" D. Richardson 2013 Vol. IV p. 387
    See Also:
    http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/sources/mowbray/christiana1.shtml

    Family/Spouse: de Mowbray, Lady Christina. Christina (daughter of de Mowbray, Sir John I and de Braose, Alienora) was born in 1305 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died on 25 Dec 1362 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 9. Plumpton, Robert  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1340 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died on 19 Apr 1407 in Earlsheaton, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 9

  1. 9.  Plumpton, Robert Descendancy chart to this point (8.William8, 7.Lucy7, 6.William6, 5.Lucy5, 4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1340 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died on 19 Apr 1407 in Earlsheaton, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: 2MBY-TCW
    • Occupation: Knight
    • Birth: 1340, Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England

    Family/Spouse: Plumpton, Isabella. Isabella was born in 1349 in Clifton, Yorkshire, England; died in DECEASED in Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 10. Plumpton, William  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1362 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died on 8 Jun 1405 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; was buried after 8 Jun 1405 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 10

  1. 10.  Plumpton, William Descendancy chart to this point (9.Robert9, 8.William8, 7.Lucy7, 6.William6, 5.Lucy5, 4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1362 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died on 8 Jun 1405 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; was buried after 8 Jun 1405 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: LJRH-PDY

    William married de Gisburn, Alice in 1381 in Yorkshire, England. Alice (daughter of Gisburn, John de and de Gisburn, Ellen) was born in 1364 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; died on 5 Dec 1423 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England; was buried after 5 Dec 1423 in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 11. Plumpton, Jane  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1374 in Ecclesall, Yorkshire, England; died in 1407 in Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 11

  1. 11.  Plumpton, Jane Descendancy chart to this point (10.William10, 9.Robert9, 8.William8, 7.Lucy7, 6.William6, 5.Lucy5, 4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1374 in Ecclesall, Yorkshire, England; died in 1407 in Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: GQ4Q-Z5S
    • Birth: 1374, Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England

    Jane married Mallory, William in 1394 in Plumpton in Spofforth, Yorkshire, England. William was born in 1370 in Shawbury, Shropshire, England; died in 1421 in Hutton Conyers, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 12. Mallory, Sir John  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1403 in Abington, Northamptonshire, England; died in Sep 1439 in Walton, Northamptonshire, England; was buried after Sep 1439 in Studley Royal, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 12

  1. 12.  Mallory, Sir John Descendancy chart to this point (11.Jane11, 10.William10, 9.Robert9, 8.William8, 7.Lucy7, 6.William6, 5.Lucy5, 4.Piers4, 3.Herbert3, 2.Herbert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 1403 in Abington, Northamptonshire, England; died in Sep 1439 in Walton, Northamptonshire, England; was buried after Sep 1439 in Studley Royal, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Abington, Northamptonshire, England; Duke
    • Appointments / Titles: Knight
    • FSID: 9C78-KSM

    Notes:

    SIR KNIGHT JOHN MALLORY OF STUDLEY was born about 1403 of Abington, Northamptonshire, England, to unknown parents. He married Jane Lane about 1423 of Stowmarket, Suffolk, England.

    John Mallory died in September 1439, Walton, Northamptonshire, England, age 36. Buried at Studley, Convers, Yorkshire, England.

    Abingdon England

    JANE LANE was born about 1404 of Abingdon, Berkshire, England, to unknown parents. She married Sir John Mallory about 1423 of Stowmarket, Suffolk, England.

    Jane Lane passed away after 1436 of Abingdon, Berkshire, England, age 32.

    Church of St Nicholas Abingdon, Market place

    Children of John Mallory and Jane Lane:

    1. Katherine Mallory (1425-1460)
    2. *LADY HELENA MALLORY (1435-1495)

    John married Lane, Lady Jane in 1423 in Stowmarket, Suffolk, England. Jane was born in 1404 in Abington, Northamptonshire, England; died in 1435 in Abington, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 13. Mallory, Lady Helena  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1435 in Suffolk, England; died in 1495 in Abington, Northamptonshire, England.