Scheber, Anastasia

Female UNKNOWN - 1659


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  • Name Scheber, Anastasia  [1
    HARTMANN, Johann Marriage 21 Oct 1606 Hildburghausen
    HARTMANN, Johann Marriage 21 Oct 1606 Hildburghausen
    Birth UNKNOWN  Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Death 2 Jan 1659  Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Burial Aft 2 Jan 1659  Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I869  The Thoma Family
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Father Scheber, Michael,   b. UNKNOWN, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 21 Oct 1606, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother Klipper, Margaretha,   b. UNKNOWN, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 6 Mar 1636, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Relationship natural 
    Marriage 1572  Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Family ID F3861  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Hartmann, Johann,   b. UNKNOWN, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 5 Jun 1615, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Marriage 21 Oct 1606  Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2
    Children 
     1. Hartmann, Ursula,   b. Abt 1606, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. DECEASED, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  [natural]
     2. Hartmann, Catharina,   b. 25 Oct 1607, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 2 Feb 1669, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location (Age < 61 years)  [natural]
    Family ID F7350  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

    Family 2 Thein, Paul,   b. UNKNOWN, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 11 Dec 1678, Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Marriage 1 Mar 1647  Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Family ID F4731  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 20 Sep 2023 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - UNKNOWN - Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 21 Oct 1606 - Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 1 Mar 1647 - Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 2 Jan 1659 - Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - Aft 2 Jan 1659 - Hildburghausen, Hildburghausen, Thüringen, Germany Link to Google Earth
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  • Documents
    THOMAE, Research Notes
    THOMAE, Research Notes

  • Notes 
    • From "Klipper Stipendium [Klipper Exhibition]", author unknown, Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen-Meiningische Geschichte u. Landeskunde [Writings of the Saxe-Meiningen Association of History and Geography], 54. Heft [Issue No. 54] (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meiningen: F. W. Gadow & Sohn, 1906), pages 74, 80, 94.

      Page 80:
      Anastasia was the third of four children of Margaretha Klipper and her first husband, Michael Scheber, "Einspännlger 1572 (1574 von seinen Stiefsöhnen 1. Ehe mit N. Naumann wegen 300 fl. väterlichen Erbgutes gerichtlich belaugt” [hackney driver 1572 (1574 was sued by his stepsons from his first marriage with N. Naumann for 300 florins of his father's inheritance)]”. Margaretha's second husband, Joel Siegler, was the mayor of Hildburghausen and the innkeeper of "Güldenen Engel [Golden Angel]”, who died on 14 Oct 1626 at the age of 80 years. Margaretha died on 6 Mar 1636. Dates of her two marriages are not known. Neither are the birthdates of her children.

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      From "Klipper Stipendium [Klipper Exhibition]", author unknown, Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen-Meiningische Geschichte u. Landeskunde [Writings of the Saxe-Meiningen Association of History and Geography], 54. Heft [Issue No. 54] (Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meiningen: F. W. Gadow & Sohn, 1906), pages 74, 80, 94.

      Page 94:
      Stephen Thomæ was apparently the only child of Katharina Hartmann (1607-1669) and her first husband, Christoph Thomæ. He married Cordula, the daughter of Superintendent Michael Buchenröder of Heldburg, and their children, as well as Christian's own children, are listed on this page. Stephen's parents were married on 4 November 1628 but Christoph died on 6 June 1634. Katharina then married Johann Möring on 30 January 1637. They had at least four children. Although he was a baker, Johann was the city Kirchner with the Church of St Lorenz in Hildburghausen. He died on 13 January 1676. His parents were not known. But Katharina's parents are known. She was the second daughter of Antastasia Scheder (died 2 January 1659) and her first husband, Johann Hartmann, the Senior Mayor of Hildburghausen (died 5 June 1615). The parents were married on 21 October 1606 but, after Johann died, his widow married, on 1 March 1647, the Tuchmacher [draper] Paul Thein, who died on 11 December 1678.

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      This is based upon the Kirchenbuch record of Anastasia marriage:
      From Chip Kalb:

      By the way, when I got your reply, I was eyeballing Joel Seigler, Margaretha Klipper andMichael Scheber up and down that Klipper Genealogy.  I couldn’t find anything wrong with any of them until I got to that infamous item about “Ihme sein Schwager Herr Joël Siegler des Rhats alhier” in that verdammt will.  When I read it as “my brother-in-law Mr. Joël Siegler of the [ City ] Council of this place [ Hildburghausen ]”, I remembered that, like the English language, the German language is not carved in stone.  It is always changing with the times, and not just in the spelling.  As any etymological dictionary will show in any language, words do not always keep the same meanings.  What might make perfect sense to Martin Luther in 1516 would not make any sense to his descendants in 2016!

      So I looked up “Schwager” in Ernest Thode’s German-English Genealogical Dictionary.  Here is his definition : “brother-in-law ; father-in-law ; relative ; good friend.”   ( It was the same in Ye Olde English. ).  So, when Michael Klipper wrote his will in 1606, Joël Siegler was still his “good friend”, not his “brother-in-law”.  He didn’t become his brother-in-law for real until 1614, when he married Anastasia’s mother.

      So why was Anastasia described as a privigna of Joëlÿ Siegler?   If her father had ever left a will, it is not available online.  But, if he did make his will, we can assume that he took his real brother-in-law’s suggestion and made Mr Siegler the legal guardian of his children.  Even if he didn’t, there might be bonds of guardianship for his children.  So, when Anastasia’s marriage record called her the privigna of Joëlÿ Siegler, it meant that she was his ward, not his step-daughter.  That means that her father, Michael Scheber, was already dead by 1606.

  • Sources 
    1. [S24] GERMANY: THÜRINGIA: Schriften des Vereins fur Sachsen Meiningische Geschichte und Landeskunde 54th issue (1906).
      Google Books
      Issue 54, Hildburghausen, Saxe-Meiningen:
      F. W. Gadow & Sohn
      1906
      https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015055036332;view=1up;seq=111
      Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen Meiningische Geschichte und Landeskunde 54th issue (1906)
      Schriften des Vereins für Sachsen Meiningische Geschichte und Landeskunde 54th issue (1906)
      Klipper Family Tree
      Klipper Family Tree


    2. [S1119] GERMANY: THÜRINGIA: Evangelical Church of Hildburghausen, Thüringia, Germany.
      https://www.archion.de