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- Douglas Richardson has posted a summary which is difficult to improve upon in order to clarify the records concerning this person, who is not generally well handled in most published works (if he is mentioned at all). In short:
Roger was son and heir of William de Ginney, who (amongst other places) held land in Haveringham, Dilham, Whitwell, and Swanington, in Norfolk, and Pickworth in Rutland.
Roger was the husband of Joan, sister and co-heiress of Peter de Pelevill.
He probably died around 1250.
Here is an excerpt from that post.[1]
Recently I was able to locate the lawsuit cited by Complete Peerage concerning Sir John de Vaux and his 1st wife, Joan, widow of Roger de Gyney. The lawsuit is dated 1250. A brief abstract of the lawsuit is provided below.
In 1250 John and his wife, Joan, sued William Aplham, of Refham, Norfolk, regarding the third part of one messuage and three acres of land in Whitwell, Norfolk, which said said Joan claimed as her right of dower by the dotation of Roger de Gyney her former husband; the said William called to warranty Walter de Ingham; the said John and Joan also sued Hugh de Vaux in a plea of dower regarding two messuages, three mills, and eight acres of land with appurtenances in Whitwell, Refham, Swaneton, and Woreford, Norfolk, which Joan claimed as her dower. Reference: Justice Itinerants, JUST1, no. 560, Image 6512f, Year: 1250 (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/JUST1/JUST1no560/aJUST1no560fronts/IMG_6512.htm).
So who was Joan, widow of Roger de Gyney? Blomefield, Essay towards a Topographical History of Norfolk 8 (1808): 353 (sub Heverland) identifies her as Joan de Pelevile:
"Roger [de Gyney] levied a fine in the 33d of that King, to Beringarius, prior of St. Faith's, of Horsham, the advowson of this church, and married Joan, daughter of - - - - - - - - - -, sister and coheir of Sir Peter de Pelevile, (who remarried Sir John de Vaux,) and by her had Sir William de Gyney, his son and heir, and Sir Roger, who married Margaret, daughter of William Peche." END OF QUOTE.
Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959): 129 confirms that Roger de Gyney's wife, Joan, was the daughter of Peter de Peleville:
Date: 1227-1230. "Convenit inter Petrum de Pelevill' querentem et Willelmum de Ginney deforciantem de tota terra ipsius Willelmi in Heveringland Dilham et Pichewurth' et alibi, unde placitum conventionis summonitum fuit inter eos in curia domini regis, scilicet quod predictus (sic) Johannes concessit quod decetero terram suam sive redditum non dabit nec vendet nec invadiabit Judeis sive Christianis per quod Rogerus filius et heres predicti Willelmi possit exheredan nisi de consilio et assensu Petri et amicorum utriusque partis. Et preterea idem Willelmus concessit predicto Petro quod, si predictus filius predicti Willelmi obierit priusquam Willelmus pater suus, idem Willelmus faciet Johanne filie ipsius Petri, quam idem Rogerus duxit in uxorem, plenam dotem suam, scilicet terciam partem totius terre sue et redditus cum pertinentiis unde idem Johannes eam dotavit per assensum ejusdem Willelmi patris sui. Idem vero Willelmus providebit eidem Johanne redditum c. solidorum in certo loco ad sustentationem suam, ita scilicet quod idem redditus computabitur eidem Johanne in dotem suam si predictus Rogerus vir suus obierit priusquam Willelmus ..." END OF QUOTE.
As for Roger de Gyney, it appears that he was living as late as 1248-9, when he when as "Roger de Gisnetho," he conveyed the advowson of the church of Heverland, Norfolk to Berenger, of St. Faith of Horsham [Reference: Rye, Short Cal. Feet of Fines for Norfolk 1 (1885): 73].
Given the records cited above, it appears that Sir John de Vaux married before 1250 to Joan de Peleville, widow of Roger de Gyney (living 1248-9), which Joan was the daughter of Peter de Peleville.
So far, so good. But it appears that Joan de Peleville must have died before 1254, when her son, William de Gyney, then aged 30, was named a co-heir of Joan's brother, Peter de Peleville. Cal. of Inq. Post Mortem 1 (1904): 80-86 includes an inquisition post mortem for Peter de Pelevill, of Bilney and Bodney, Norfolk, who died in 1254. The heirs of Peter de Pelevill are named as William de Giney, aged 30 and more, and Sir William de Whithingtone, aged 36 and more.
This inquisition may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol1/pp80-86
An entry in the Fine Rolls of Henry III dated 19 August 1254 sheds additional light on the heirs of Peter de Peleville. It shows that Peter de Peleville's co-heir, William de Gyney, was his nephew.
"19 Aug. Westminster. Concerning homage which has been taken. William de Wyston’ who took to wife Emma sister and one of the heiresses of Peter de Pelevill and William de Gynnay nephew and the other heir of the aforesaid Peter has done fealty to the king for the manors of Bilney and Bodney that the same Peter held of the king in chief for the service of one knight’s fee. Order to the king’s escheator in Norfolk, that having accepted security from the aforesaid William and William 1 for rendering 100s. for their relief at the Exchequer of Michaelmas, to cause the same William and William to have full seisin of all the lands and tenements of which the aforesaid Peter was seised in his demesne as of fee on the day he died in the aforesaid manors. Witness R. earl of Cornwall." END OF QUOTE.
The above entry may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/content/calendar/roll_051.html
So Roger's son was already 30 in 1254 when he had seisin of an inheritance through his mother.
Research notes
According to Blomefield, Roger was the son of Baldwin & Maud, and with his wife Maud de Pelevile he had at least two sons, William and Roger:[2]
Baldwin de Gisney was living in the 8th year of that King [8 King John = 1206/7], and granted his right in the church of Wichingham to the prior of Longuevile; by Maud his wife, he was father of Roger de Gisneia, lord of this manor in the 18th of Henry III. [1233/4] held of the honour of Gloucester and Clare, and extended into Wichingham, Whitwell, Kerdeston, &c.; this Roger levied a fine in the 33d of that King [33 Henry III = 1248/9], to Beringarius, prior of St. Faith's, of Horsham, the advowson of this church, and married Joan, daughter of - - - - - - - - - -, sister and coheir of Sir Peter de Pelevile, (who remarried Sir John de Vaux,) and by her had Sir William de Gyney, his son and heir, and Sir Roger, who married Margaret, daughter of William Peche, and in her right was lord of Brandeston.
Sources
↑ Richardson, C.P. Addition: Maud de Vaux, wife of William de Roos, 1st Lord Roos of Helmsley, & her sister, Pernel de Vaux, wife of Sir WIlliam de Nerford [SGM post], Feb 14, 2017. google link.
↑ Francis Blomefield, 'Eynford Hundred: Heverland', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 8 (London, 1808), pp. 226-234. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol8/pp226-234 [accessed 18 September 2022].
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1216 - 1248 (32 years)
