de Ponthieu, Herlouin III

855 - 926  (71 years)

• Name	de Ponthieu, Herlouin  [1]
  Suffix	III
  Birth	855	Quevauvillers, Somme, Picardie, France   [1]
  Gender	Male
  Appointments / Titles	Between 877 and 879  [1]
  	Count of Montreuil
  Appointments / Titles	926  [1]
  	Count of Ponthieu
  House	House of Montreuil  [1]
  FSID	GS35-LG3  [1]
  Religion	Abbot de Saint-Riquier  [1]
  Death	926	Fauquembergues, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France   [1]
  	Cause: Died in combat against the Normans
  Person ID	I33948	The Thoma Family
  Last Modified	20 Sep 2023

  
  

  Father	de Ponthieu, Herlouin I,   b. 830, Aisne, Picardie, France d. 878, Ponthieu (Historical), Picardie, France (Age 48 years)
  Relationship	natural
  Mother	de Ramerupt, Countess Helissende,   b. 834, Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne-Ardenne, France d. 870, Abbeville, Somme, Picardie, France (Age 36 years)
  Relationship	natural
  Family ID	F13294	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	de Dammartin, Maud,   b. 865, France d. 900, France (Age 35 years)
  Marriage	890
  Children	1. de Ponthieu, Count Herlouin II,   b. 890, Saint-Pol-sur-Ternoise, Arras, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France d. 13 Jul 945, Bayeux, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France (Age 55 years)  [natural]
  Family ID	F13293	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	20 Sep 2023

  
  

• Event Map

  Birth - 855 - Quevauvillers, Somme, Picardie, France Death - Cause: Died in combat against the Normans - 926 - Fauquembergues, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

• Notes

  Helgaud († 926 ) was a count of Montreuil in the 9th and 10th centuries. Helgaud had three sons: . Herluin († July 13, 945), Count of Montreuil . Erard, lord of Ham . Lambert († fallen against the Normans after 945) He was probably identical to the abbot of Saint-Riquier of the same name , who succeeded the Welf Rudolf, brother of Empress Judith , who died in 866 in this office. In 925 Helgaud was involved in the fighting against the Normans under Rollo near Eu . In the following year he fought alongside King Rudolf against the Normans of Ragenold in front of Arras and was killed in the process. - wikipedia ____________________________________________ HELGAUD, son of --- (-[866]). Abbé de Saint-Riquier. The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "le comte Helgaud" succeeded "Rodolphe…du sang imperial" as lay abbot of Saint-Riquier and that he was succeeded by "Guelfon…du sang royal"[552]. "Rodolphe" is identified with Rudolf Comte de Sens, brother of Empress Judith, who died in 866, and "Guelfon" as Rudolf's son. This casts doubt on the chronology of this passage as, if the relationship between Rudolf and Welf is correctly identified, it is likely that the son succeeded the father as lay abbot as such a post was often hereditary. same person as…? HELGAUD (-after 879). Flodoard records "terra filiorum Balduini, Rodulfi quoque de Gangeio atque Hilgaudi" in 925[553]. Comte de Montreuil 877-879. It is probable that Helgaud, abbé de Saint-Riquier, and his son Herluin are in fact the same people as Helgaud Comte de Montreuil 877-79 and his son Herluin who died in 945, and that the Chronique de Saint-Riquier is inaccurate in its chronology relating to the supposedly earlier father and son of these names. m ---. The name of Helgaud's wife is not known. Helgaud & his wife had one child: a) HERLUIN (-killed in battle 13 Jul 945) b) ERARD . Flodoard names "Ebrardum fratrem Erluini" when recording that his castle of Ham was captured in 932 by "Heribertus comes"[564]. Seigneur du château de Ham (Picardie). c) LAMBERT (-killed in battle after 945). Guillaume de Jumièges records that “Lambertus frater eius” was killed trying to avenge the death of “Herluini”[565]. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm ____________________________________________

  
  

• Sources

  [S790] WORLD: Family Search, Ancestral File. https://www.familysearch.org/search/genealogies