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- From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel
Heinz Groß - the rich one
◆ Father: Heinz Groß
(* about? 1250), † zw 1314/1317
In Nuremberg, first documented 1276-1306. Death between 1314-1317.
∞1) (about? 1273) with Sofie v. Vestenberg N631
(* about? 1250), † about? 1286
her father: Conrad v. Vestenberg Nc44 , (* about? 1215)
∞2) (about? 1287) with Gisela Esler N629
(* about? 1265), † after 1339
Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .
her father: Konrad Esler N600 , (* 1215)
documented in 1253 in Bamberg. 1276 with his son Konrad citizen to Bamberg. See Eslr-21 / a
Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Margarete Gross Nn81 , (* about? 1274)
∞ with Heinrich Geusmid N664
(* about? 1265)
1298-1336 documented, ∞ Margret ... 1306 mayor. See Gsm-22 / h
his parents: Ropold / Rapoto Gewsmyd N665 , (* about? 1230)
1270-1288 in Nuremberg documentary. See Gsm-21 / r ; ∞ with (Elisabeth) Pfinzing N666 , (* about? 1240).
2. Heinrich, (* about? 1276) -, see Gros-23 / b
3. Conrad, c. 1280 - mayor Nbg, "the founder", see Gros-23 / e
4. Catharina Groß N771 , (* about? 1282), † after 1343
(sister of the mayor Conrad Groß)
∞ with Konrad Waldstromer N609
(* about? 1275), † 28.12.1357
His name is Stromer . After being loaned to the Nuremberg Forestry Office, he is alternately called Stromer and Waldstromer . "Konrad III". See Wstr-23 / a
his parents: Conrad Stromeir gen.Waldstromer N770 , (* about? 1245), † 3.2.1307
Forstmeister in Nuremberg. Documented 1270-1307. See Stro-22 / w ; ∞ (about? 1275) with Margarete Parsberger N610 , (*? 1250?
1309 ).
from 2nd marriage:
5. Bartholomew, (* 1288), see Gros-23 / i
6. Philipp, (* about? 1290) - council builder in Nuremberg, see Gros-23 / u
7. Anna Groß Ni56 , (* about? 1295), † 1357
No children.
∞ with Conrad Grundherr Ni57
(* about? 1295)
his parents: Werner dJ landlord N333 , (* about? 1255), † 1303
See Gru-22 / a ( Er ∞1) before 1289 with Kunigunde Turprecht H042 , (* about? 1265) ) ; ∞ (about? 1295) with Kunigunde Holzschuher H017 , (* about? 1275).
Regesten:
• Heinrich Groß / Magnus , also Reichheinz , Dives
• 1274-1298 , ext. 1306, † 1317
• ∞1) Sophie v. Vestenberg , † before 1298
• ∞2) Gisela Esler , † after 1339, sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .
[A.Scharr: The ans. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Bd.3 1963 p.16]
• In addition to the above children:
• Ulrich Groß , called 1315f., Married ?, † after 1350?
• Eberhard, monk ?, † 1331.
[Bullemer: Great]
• Berthold VII Pfinzing ∞ 1340 with ... Grosin , Tv Heinrich Gros ∞ with ... Eslerin .
[Biedermann plaque 396, Pfinzing]
• 1276: Friedrich and Herdegen the Holzschuher are Burgmannen of the burgrave Friedrich in his castrum Kraftshof ... Witnesses: Hermann and Sifrid called the Ebener , Heinrich by the surname Groß , Conrad called by Neuenmark , Berthold called Pfinzing Schultheiß in Nuremberg, Conrad called Stromaier , Wernher called Nützel , relatives (cognati) by Friedrich Holzschuher . Sealed by Friedrich Holzschuher alone, as his brother Herdegen does not have his own seal.
[Nuremberg Yearbooks Vol. 1-2, 1834, p.54]
Apparently from a ministerial or landed gentry residing south of Nuremberg.
• As early as 1283 citizens in Nuremberg.
• In 1298 he sold to the monastery Ebrach the bailiwick of this to pass over the village Katzwang.
• Konrad, probably his eldest son, first documented in 1305.
[W. Schultheiß: Money and Financial Transactions ... p.67]
• Alleged parents (not assignable): The "Grindige Heinz" ∞ Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf.
• Heinrich Groß of the "Reichheintz" at the beginning of the main sequence. Also "Heinricus Magnus" . Documented 1276-1306.
• Henricus Gross , civis in Nuremberg, d. Sep. 6. 1284 (or 1283).
• Geisel Groß , Wwe of the "Grosse Heintzen", buys a bread bench at Sebalduskirchhof on 9.6.1339.
• His descendants s. [Friedrich Bullemer : The Nuremberg patrician family Groß in the 14th century, in: Bl.f.fränk.Fam'kde Bd.13 1989 p.137-166.]
• Scharr states that the daughter Catharina "probably" comes from the first marriage with Sophie v. Vestenberg.
• According to Gottlob Heckel, the grand come from the Reichs-Dienstmannen-Sex of the Groß v . (Hilpolt) Stein.
[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.23]
According to miracle the son Konrad is to come from the first marriage with v. Vestenberg [miracle: "Pfinzing" p.39].
• According to Reddig, the son Konrad comes from the second marriage: "From the second marriage Heinrich Groß 'with Gisela donkey was towards the end of the 1280s Konrad Groß " (sources: mayor, Knefelkamp). [WFReddig: citizen hospital and episcopal city, Bamberg 1998, S.48]
→ Konrad was born according to his age of death around 1280 and not until the end of the 1280s. Therefore, he probably comes from the first marriage (HDL).
• The son Philipp from the marriage Heinrich ∞ v. Vestenberg.
[B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]
→ Or from the marriage Esler? (HDL)
• In [B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Bd.45 / 46 2008] it says: Heinrich Groß ∞ 1285 with Sofie von Vestenberg , she * around 1270 in Steyerwald, daughter of the knight Konrad v.Vestenberg , who around 1293 married. This is not possible in time (HDL).
• 1303/1313: Heinrich Groß , a citizen of Nuremberg, has 2 tenths in Feldbrecht (near Neustadt / Aisch) and asks to transfer these goods to his sons.
[Internet Database 2013 Hochstift Würzburg Lehenbuch 1303-1313]
Regesta to Sofie v. Vestenberg:
• For her was stated: † before 1298. Because of the second marriage of her husband Heinz Gross, she would have died shortly after 1285. (HDL)
• 10.8.1340: Jahrestagstiftung of Konrad Groß for his parents Heinrich and Suffey.
[Miracle p.39 footnote 36]
Regesta to Conrad v. Vestenberg:
[Bullemer: Large p.139]
Regesta to Gisela Esler:
[Miracle MVGN 49 p.38] - [Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p. 23]
Regesta to Margarete Gross:
• Bullemer suspects that Margret, the wife of Heinrich Geusmid , is the daughter of Heinz Groß .
[Bullemer, Great]
• Age-appropriate, she can only come from the first marriage of Heinz Gross (HDL).
Regest to Catharina Groß:
• † after 1343 [Bullemer: Great]
[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.18,22]
• Comp. [B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]
Regesta to Kunigunde Holzschuher:
• Cunigunda Holzschuherin , consort Mr. Werner Junior landlord , assessor at the Imperial Land Court and Senator to Nuremberg, married anno 1289, † anno 1303.
[Biedermann panel 166 Holzschuher, there, however, as a father another Heinrich Holzschuher stated, which agewise wrong. ]
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