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- From Lemmel:
Berchtold Pfinzing N641 - in Nuremberg at the milk market
Parents: Pfin-22 / s Siboto Pfinzing N603 , ... .... N605
(* about? 1315), † 11.11.1361 in Nuremberg
Councilman and mayor in Nuremberg At the Milchmarkt in Nuremberg, first documented mention in 1356-1361.
∞1) 1348 in Nuremberg with Anna Irrer N441
(* about? 1325), † 1351 in Nuremberg
∞2) 1352 in Nuremberg with Anna Tucher N643
* around 1330, † 11.11.1410 in Nuremberg
1361 Widow of Berchtold Pfinzing.
her parents: Bertold Tucher N645 , * 1310 in Nuremberg, † 17.4.1379 in Nuremberg
1340-1379 Member of the Small Council. In 1340 he was the first of the family to join the Inner Council, as a junior mayor. See Tuc-25 / a ( Er ∞2) 1365 with Anna Pfinzing N646 , (* about? 1345), † 12.12.1381 in Nuremberg ) ; ∞ 1330 with Elisabeth v.Maiental N758 , (* about? 1310), † 1364 in Nuremberg
Daughter of the imperial land judge of the Burggrafentum Nuremberg. [Schwemmer p.19] 2 daughters ..
Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Anna Pfinzing N654 , (* about? 1349)
∞ (about? 1370) with Konrad Groß N045
(* about? 1315), † after 1397
1363-1365 Reichsschultheiß. 1370/80 Hammerherr. Makes 1397 testament. See Gros-24 / e
his parents: Konrad Groß N632 , * around 1280, † 10.5.1356 in Bamberg, 76 years old, buried in Nuremberg
1338-1356 mayor. Hospital founder. See Gros-23 / e ; ∞ (about? 1310) with Agnes Zollner N772 , (* about? 1295), † 13.8.1342
from Bamberg.
he ∞1) (about? 1345) with Anna Haller H244
(* about? 1325), † before 1368
2. Elisabeth Pfinzing N655 , (* about? 1351)
∞ (about? 1382) with Ulrich Stromer N899
(* about? 1340), † 1418
"zur güldenen Rose", councilor in Nuremberg 1380 Senator in Sulzbach (same?) See Stro-24 / b
his parents: Ulrich Stromer / Stromeyr N818 , (* about? 1295), † before 5.1.1380
1340-1380 councilman in Nuremberg. 1358 in Vienna. Ulrich the Elder, filius Wolframi, the golden rose. 1341, 1359 chief of the Stromer Society. See Stro-23 / b ; ∞ with Margarete Prantner N898 , (* about? 1310).
he ∞1) (about? 1368) with Margaretha Reichswirth Na13
(*? 1345)
from 2nd marriage:
3. Berthold, (* about? 1352) - alderman in Nuremberg, see Pfin-24 / w
4. Franz, (* about? 1350) - bailiff and judge in Nuremberg, see Pfin-26 / e
5. Konrad Pfinzing N761 , (* about? 1352), † 1402
∞ with Juliana Grundherr Nh43
(* about? 1353), † 1405
her parents: Michael landlord Na14 , (* about? 1325), † 1388 in Nuremberg
supreme captain Nuremberg See Gru-24 / a ( Er ∞2) with Catharina Schopper Ni50 , (* about? 1348) ) ; ∞ with Juliane Lauffenholz Na15 , (* about? 1330).
6. Mechtild Pfinzing H861 , (* about? 1353)
∞ (about? 1370) in Nuremberg with Paul Mendel N382
(* about? 1335), † 1387 in Nuremberg
in Nuremberg, 1362-1376 and 1382-1387 councilman. See Mend-24 / a
his father: Friedrich Mendel N439 , (* about? 1305), † 29.9.1351 in Nuremberg
∞ with (Katharina?) Langmann . See Mend-23 / a
7. Küngund Pfinzing N651 , (* about? 1355)
It was not called Elisabeth, as stated by Biedermann. [Miracle MVGN 49 p.40]
∞ with Peter Stromer N652
(* about? 1355), † 1402
In Nuremberg. See Stro-25 / ab
his parents: Peter Stromer N653 , * 1292, † 4.12.1388
inventor of the softwood seed. In 1375, Lewpolt Schurstab and Fritz Lemlein testify for him. See Stro-24 / a ( Er ∞1) with Siglint Ebner N776 , (* about? 1310), † 1350 ) ; ∞ (1351) with Margarete Forstmeister N777 , (* about? 1330), † after 1401.
Regesten:
> Summary :
• "Berthold VIII" according to Biedermann, ∞ with Anna Tucher , so confirmed by Wunder. His father is not "Berthold V" (according to Biedermann) but Siboto (according to Wunder). According to Wunder, Anna Tucher is his second wife. The first wife, who is not named at Biedermann, is according to AL Pusch Anna Irrer .
> In detail :
• In Nuremberg on Milchmarkt, first documented mention 1356-1361.
• Berthold Pfinzing († 1361), Tucher's Eidam, has sold his paternal inheritance, namely the courtyard in front of the Frauentor, to his sisters "von beeden gangs" (ie right sister and half-sister), Kunigunde Jakob Weiglin and Agnes Konrad Waldstromerin .
• Before his death in 1361, he named as guardian of his children and as executors of his business (his will):
Mr. Berthold Tucher his Schweher (= father in law, who survived him);
Conrad Waldstromer the boy, his sister (Agnes) son;
Gerhaußen Stromerin his Muhmen (who is that? It lives at this time Franz Stromer ∞2) with Gerhaus Pömer, she † 1362);
Künigundt Weiglin his sister.
• His widow (who died 11.11.1410).
[Wonders p.40]
• A document from 1405 shows that Anna, widow of Bertold Pfinzing , divided her estates into (the sons) Franz and Cuntz Pfinzing and (the grandsons) Steffan Stromer and siblings.
[see at the bottom of the page Pfin.html]
• According to miracle it is in the above certificate Bertold Pfinzing at the milk market ∞ Anna Tucher . The father of Steffan Stromer is Peter Stromer, Ulman's nephew. Peter's wife was called Küngund and not Elisabeth, as stated by Biedermann.
• Bertold Pfinzing at Milchmarkt, his daughters from his first marriage: Anna (∞ Konrad Groß) ; Elisabeth (∞ Ulrich Stromer to g.Rose). - Anna can not have been married to the founder Konrad Groß nor to his son of the same name, because she is younger. At best, she is a late second wife of the younger Konrad.
[Wonders p.41 footnote 49]
→ Anna may really be the second wife of the younger Konrad, whose first wife Anna Haller died before 1368. (HDL)
• Wonder does not specify who Bertold's first wife is. According to AL Pusch, it is Anna Irrer .
• Berthold Pfinzing , councilor and mayor in Nuremberg, † 11.11.1361, ∞1) 1348 in Nuremberg with Anna Irrer , † 1351 in Nuremberg; ∞2) 1352 in Nuremberg with Anna Tucher , † 11.11.1410 in Nuremberg. A daughter from a second marriage: Mechtild ∞ with Paul Mendel.
[AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]
→ Confusion at Biedermann:
• Berthold VIII Pfinzing , 1345 Senator Nuremberg, † 1361, ∞ Anna Tucher , Tv Berthold Tucher ∞ v.Mayenthal . Children: Elisabeth ∞ Peter Stromer ; Berthold X ∞ Ortlieb .
[Biedermann panel 398]
• A madman (Agnes, not Anna) is stated as the first wife of Berthold V at Biedermann:
• Berthold V Pfinzing , † 1357, ∞1) Agnes Irrer ; ∞2) Cath. v.Lauffenholz, she † 1379.
• Children (not specified from which marriage): Kunegunda ∞ Weigel ; Agnes ∞ forest streamers ; Anna ∞ Tucher ; Albrecht, † young; Seiz ∞ Schürstab , childless; Ulrich † 1399; Berthold VII ∞ Groß / Stromer ; Anna Klosterfrau; Clara nunnery; Berthold VIII ∞ Tucher .
[Biedermann panel 396]
→ Should he really have had two sons named Berthold? (HDL)
→ Comparison with miracles (see above): Year of death is not right, second marriage is wrong, daughters Kunigunde and Agnes right.
• son of Berthold V: Berthold VIII Pfinzing , 1345 Senator Nuremberg, † 1361, ∞ Anna Tucher , children: Elisabeth ∞ Peter Stromer ; Berthold X ∞ Ortlieb. (There is no question of her first marriage to Anna Irrer .)
[Biedermann Tafel 398]
→ The daughter, married to Peter Stromer , is not Elisabeth but Kungund. [Wonder]
Regesta to Anna Irrer:
• Berthold Irrer , 1294 Nuremberg
[A.Scharr: Die anges. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Vol.3 1963 p.17]
→ Probably grandfather of Anna (HDL)
Regesto to Anna Tucher:
• Berthold Pfinzing married in a second marriage in 1352 Anna Tucher , whose father Bertold Tucher married in a second marriage Anna Pfinzing .
• Widow of Berthold Pfinzing (he † 1361), she † 11.11.1410 "at 80 years old".
• 1405: Berthold's Wittib communicates with her mother Anna Pfinzingin with her petits Steffan Stromern and his two siblings and with her brothers Franz Pfinzig the Elder, Elbetbeten Prant's grand daughter his wife, Cunzen Pfinzigen , his wife; Teiligung testifies in 1405 by Seitz and Sebald the Pfinzing and Jakob Grolandt .
[Wonders p.40]
• Berthold Tucher ∞1) Elisabeth v.Mayental , daughter Anna * 1330, † 11.11.1410 as 81-year-old widow, ∞ Berthold Pfinzing , he † 1361.
[Biedermann panel 493]
Regesta to Anna Pfinzing:
• Anna Pfinzing , 2nd wife of Bertold Tucher .
• Your brothers Franz d.Ä. and Conz Pfinzing .
• 1361 Stepmother of the widow Anna Pfinzing born. Tucher .
• 4 sons and 4 daughters.
[Wunder S.40,49] - [Scharr: Waldstromer p.27]
→ If Franz and Conz are their brothers, then their father is Bertold Pfinzing on the wine market.
• Wrong parents at Biedermann:
• Berthold Tucher , † 1379, ∞2) 1365 with Anna Pfinzing , † 1381, Tv Knights Berthold Pfinzing , Bamberger, Palatine and Nuremberg-burggräflicher Council and senator to Nuremberg, ∞ Agnes.
• After Biedermann Anna got 8 children in the Tucher marriage. She must have been so young at the marriage in 1365, so * about 1340/1347. (HDL)
• Anna Pfinzing became the happy tribe mother of all subsequent Tucher .
[Biedermann panel 396]
Regesta to Elisabeth v.Maiental:
• Daughter of the imperial judge of the Burggrafentums Nbg.
[Schwemmer p.19]
→ right sister instead of daughter? see Biedermann
• Sister of Mr. Hilpolt von Mayenthal , Ritter and kaiserl. Land judge of the Burggrafentum Nuremberg.
[Biedermann panel 493]
Regesta to Anna Pfinzing:
• Daughters of Berthold Pfinzing's first marriage on the dairy market: Anna (∞ Konrad Groß) and Elisabeth (∞ Ulrich Stromer zgRose). This Anna can not have been married to the founder Konrad Groß nor his son of the same name, because she is younger. Unless she was a late wife of the younger Konrad.
[Miracle: Pfinzing, p. 41 footnote 49]
→ She may indeed be the second wife of the younger Konrad! (HDL)
Regesta to Anna Haller:
from the first marriage of the father [Bullemer]
Regesten zu Konrad Pfinzing:
• Around 1364: The brothers Konrad and Berthold Pfinzing sell a farm in Altendettelsau to the monastery Heilsbronn.
[M.Keßler, Rittersitz Dettelsau, Diss.2009 S.69ff. - Internet 2014]
• Conrad Pfinzing (Sv Berthold ∞ Great) † 1402. ∞ Juliana Tv Michael Grundherr , Senator and chief captain of Nuremberg, ∞ Juliana v.Laufenholz .
• 4 daughters who lived in 1414: Gerhauß, Elisabeth, Christina, Elß.
[Biedermann panel 397]
Regesten to Juliane Lauffenholz:
• Juliane v.Lauffenholz (Tv Ulrich vL) ∞ Michael Grundherr , daughter Juliane ∞ Conrad Pfinzing .
[Biedermann panel 63 landlord, 397 Pfinzing]
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Abt 1315 - 1361 (46 years)
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