of Gorze, Bivin

Male 810 - 863  (53 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  of Gorze, Bivin was born in 810 in Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France (son of d'Amiens, Count Richard II and d'Spoleto, Engelberga); died on 11 Jan 863 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France; was buried on 11 Jan 863 in Gorze, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: France; Count of Lotharingia
    • Appointments / Titles: Count of the Ardennes
    • Appointments / Titles: Gorze, Moselle, Lorraine, France; Lay Abbot
    • House: Bosonid
    • FSID: GSDB-V2T
    • Appointments / Titles: Between 842 and 864, Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France; Count

    Notes:

    "Bivin of Gorze (810/830–863) was a Frank founder of the Bivinids family. He was married to a daughter of Boso the Elder, who may have been called Richildis. During his life he functioned as lay abbot of the Gorze Abbey.[1] His offspring includes:
    - Richildis, who married King Charles the Bald;[1]
    - Richard the Justiciar, Duke of Burgundy;
    - Boso, King of Provence;
    - possibly Bivin, Count of Metz.

    Notes: Pierre Riche, The Carolingians: The Family who Forged Europe, transl. Michael Idomir Allen, (University of Pennsylvania Press, 1983), 198.

    Sources: Pierre Riché, The Carolingians, a family who forged Europe."

    Budwine (Bodun) Metz, D'Ardennes, Ponthieu, Vienne, Ct of Metz 842-862 & Veinne, Roi of Provence 810-877
    s/o Hartnid Ou Hardouin Arduin, de Pontieu, Ct of Ponthieu & Richilde of Lommois d'Amiens & Richilde le Lommois d'Amiens
    b- 810 -
    m- Richilde Teutberge Burgundy d'Arles
    d- 877
    bur- abbey de Gorze, France

    Family/Spouse: d'Arles, Dame Richilde. Richilde (daughter of d'Arles, Boso II and d'Arles, Engeltrude) was born in 820 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhône, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France; died in 883 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France; was buried in 883 in Cathedral of San Martino, Lucca, Toscana, Italy. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. de Provence, Boson was born in 841 in Metz, Haute-Savoie, Rhône-Alpes, France; died on 11 Jan 887 in Vienne, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France; was buried after 11 Jan 887 in Vienne, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France.
    2. de Bourgogne, Duke Richard was born in 858 in Champagne, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France; died on 1 Sep 921 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France; was buried on 1 Sep 921 in Saint-Étienne Cathedral, Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  d'Amiens, Count Richard II was born in 785 in Lyons, Rhône, Rhône-Alpes, France; died in 824 in Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Appointments / Titles: Comte d'Amiens et Lommois
    • House: Carolingian
    • FSID: L234-H37
    • Title: Count of Denmark
    • Appointments / Titles: Between 787 and 795, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France; Count

    Notes:

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_d%27Amiens

    Richard Amiens is a count of Amiens early ix th century .

    We do not know much about this Carolingian count. According to Nithard He enjoyed great respect from Charlemagne .

    “That same day Angilbert , an illustrious man, was transferred to Saint-Riquier, and twenty-nine years after his death his body was found preserved intact, although it had been buried without aromatics; he was a man from a well-known family at the time. Madhelgaud, Richard and he were of the same race and rightly enjoyed great consideration by Charlemagne. Angilbert had by Berthe, daughter of this great king, my brother Harnied and myself; he had an admirable work built in Saint-Riquier in honor of Almighty God and of Saint Riquier; he governed the house entrusted to him marvelously. Having died in Saint-Riquier in all happiness, he entered into eternal peace. After having said a few words about my origin, I return to the course of the story. "

    - Nithard, Histoire des dissensions des fils de Louis le Débonnaire , Book IV [ archive ]

    According to the Europäische Stammtafeln , he would have been count of Amiens 1 .

    Family
    At the beginning of xx th century , Joseph and Maurice Depoin Thatch studied family relations and reached the conclusion that it could be small-son of Count Jerome , son of Charles Martel and father of Richard ostiaire and Bivin . They started from a text by the historian Richer which says that the emperor Louis III the Blind was of royal race, but tainted with bastardy at the level of his tritavus, that is to say its ancestor in the sixth generation. Chronologically, only Jérôme corresponds to this definition. The family of Louis III contains several people of the first name of Richard, a first name then rare in the Frankish aristocracy, but which can be compared to that of Recared , carried by two kings of the Visigoths . However, Jérôme was married in second marriage to a Gothe princess, who could very well have transmitted this first name of Richard. In the reconstruction of the ancestry of Louis III, there are two generations whose names are unknown, which could very well be a Richard , count of Rouen cited in 781 and in 791 and Richard d'Amiens 2 .

    The fact that Angilbert was the son of a Nithard and a Richarda suggests how Angilbert and Richard were of the same race. Then, in the next generation, there is a Richilde wife of Ecchard , count of Autun, of Mâcon and of Chalon. Ecchard died childless and Boson , son of Bivin, succeeded Ecchard in two of the three counties. This succession could be explained if Boson is a nephew of Richilde 2 .

    1 Wilhelm Karl von Isenburg, Europäische Stammtafeln , Band II, Taffel 676.

    2 Christian Settipani , La Préhistoire des Capétiens ( New genealogical history of the august house of France , vol. 1) , Villeneuve-d'Ascq, ed. Patrick van Kerrebrouck,1993, 545 p. ( ISBN 978-2-95015-093-6 ) , p. 363-366.

    Richard married d'Spoleto, Engelberga. Engelberga was born in 790 in France; died in DECEASED in France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  d'Spoleto, Engelberga was born in 790 in France; died in DECEASED in France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • FSID: GHVW-29B

    Children:
    1. 1. of Gorze, Bivin was born in 810 in Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France; died on 11 Jan 863 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France; was buried on 11 Jan 863 in Gorze, Moselle, Lorraine, France.


Generation: 3

    Children:
    1. 2. d'Amiens, Count Richard II was born in 785 in Lyons, Rhône, Rhône-Alpes, France; died in 824 in Amiens, Somme, Picardie, France.