Els married Haller, Ulrich after 1305 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Ulrich was born in 1260 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany; died on 16 Jul 1324 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Haller, Gertraud was born about 1306 in Bamberg, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany; died after 1364 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany.

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:

Berthold Vorchtel - in Nuremberg
◆ Father: Conrad Vorchtel
◆ Born about 1245
◆ 1289 Schöffe

Daughter:
1. Els Vorchtel N718 , (* about? 1280)

∞ after 1305 with Ulrich Haller H103

(* about? 1260), † 16.7.1324, (death sign)

Mentioned in Nuremberg since 1293. 1297, 1314 councilman. In 1307 he buys the village Lauff. Financier and confidant of Emperor Ludwig of Bavaria and other princes. See Hall-21 / a

he ∞1) (about? 1285) with Anna Tockler N706

(* about? 1265)

ext. 1305

Regesten:
• 1289 Bertholt Forchtl in a jury:

• a letter from 1289: Kunigunda Turprechting , wife of Werner Gruntherr , bequeathed her estates to her brother's children (Berthold, Ulrich, Kunigund, Methild) that her husband had no power over it.
Issued by Schultheiß Marquart (certainly Pfinzing!) , Together with Heinrich Groß the parents, Werner Nuzel , Eberhardt Kessbasser , Berthold Forchtl , Cunrad Eßler , Weigel von Newenmarkt , Heinrich Groß the younger, Heinrich Holzschuher , as witnesses,

• Conrad Pfinzing , Berthold Turprecht , Werner Grundherr , Berthold Pfinzing Schultheiß and his father Conrad Pfinzing , Hermann vom Stein , Heinrich Staudigel , Leupold Staudigel .
[Internet 2013, Nuremberg Yearbooks vol. 1-2 p.83]

• Bertold Vorchtel, father of Els.
[A.Scharr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963 p.17]

→ I suspect that Berthold is a son of Conrad Vorchtel. (HDL)

• This or a younger one: Mintmaster Bertholt Vorchtel :

• 28.5.1330: Marquart sturgeon and his landlady Mrs. Jutta give their estate to Schweinau, where Conrad Friedel and his landlady Kunigund are sitting, to the Bamberg provost. Marquart sturgeon had previously bought the estate from the mint master Bertholt Vorchtel .
[CityA Nbg online]

→ This estate belongs to the 1341 Irmel Lemblinne .

Regesten zu Els Vorchtel:
• Her father: Heinrich Vorchtel in Nuremberg.
[Genealogy from all German regions]

→ According to Scharr, her father is Berthold Vorchtel .

• Elisabeth Vorchtel , parents: Bertold (? Heinrich) Vorchtel , † 1257 Nuremberg, ∞ Gertraud Roter .
[B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Vol.45 / 46 2008]

→ If Bertold died in 1257, he could not possibly be the father of Els (HDL).

Regesta to Anna Tockler:
[A. Scharr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963 p.17]

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel

Conrad Vorchtel
◆ Parents: Berthold Vorchtel and Gertrud von Rot

(* about? 1215), † before 1286

ext. 1254-1274 1276: 12ooo pounds borrowed from King Rudolf.

∞ with Benigna .... N246

(* about? 1220)

1286 Widow

Children:
1. Berthold, (* about? 1245) - in Nuremberg, see Vorc-23 / a

2. Conrad, (* about? 1250) - in Nuremberg, see Vorc-23 / e

3. Heinrich Vorchtel Nc19 , (* about? 1250)
1296 Nuremberg citizens.

Regesten:
• erw. 1254-1274, † before 1286 [A. Scarr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963]

• 1256 in Nuremberg Witnesses include: Albert Ebner , Cunrad Forchtlin , Heinrich Toggeler and Walter his son.

• 1258: Berthold, the mayor of Nuremberg, carries a meadow near Neuhof to the fief of Heinrich von Stein , Butigler in Nuremberg, and gives the meadow. Among the witnesses: Heinrich von Stein , Seibot Pfinzing , Albrecht Ebner , Conrad Stromeier , Conrad Forchtlin , Hermann Graf .

• 1261 Conrad Vorchtel , citizen of Nuremberg, witness.

• 1263 among the Nuremberg Schöffen: Cunrad Forchtlin , Heinrich called Holtschuch , Arnold Holtschuher , and others

• 1265: Walter Schenk called Bratselden donates his goods in cakes as property to the Conrad Vorchtel and Sifrid Ebner , citizens in Nuremberg.

• 1269: Marquard Pfinzing and Conrad Forchtlin Provisors of the Maria Magdalena Monastery in Nuremberg.

• Conrad called Vorchtlin and Hermann called Steiner buy ...
[Nürnberger Jahrbücher Bd.1-2 S.32,34,35,38,44,52]

• 1276 leaves King Rudolf the Conrad Vorchtel for 6 years, the Nuremberg imperial tax, ca per year 2000 pounds Haller. This suggests that Vorchtel had advanced the king 12,000 pounds to finance the Nuremberg Diet or the campaign against King Ottokar of Bohemia.
[W. Schultheiß: Money and Financial Transactions ... p.64]

Regesta to Heinrich Vorchtel:
• mentioned in Nuremberg in 1282 (without details): Conrad von Neumarkt , Weigelin his brother, Friedrich called Holzschuher , Ulrich called Turbrech , Marquard called Pfinzing , and Heinrich Vorchtlin , brother of Conrad.

• 1287: Heinrich Vorchtel and Otto Topler , citizens in Nuremberg, sell their farm in Holzheim to the DO.
[Nuremberg Yearbooks Vol. 1-2, 1834, p.67,76]

• In 1296 the Bamberg bishop mortgages the Nurembergers Friedrich Holzschuher and Heinrich Vorchtel for the debts incurred by his church and tithes, including the Hofmarken Neunkirchen am Brand and Erlangen.
[W. Schultheiß: Money and Financial Transactions ... p.64]

• Daughter: Els ∞ Haller . [Genealogy from all German regions]

→ This daughter Els is stated according to Scharr as a daughter of Berthold Vorchtel.

Conrad married Vorchtel, Benigna in UNKNOWN. Benigna was born about 1220 in Germany; died in DECEASED in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:

Berthold Vorchtel - in Nuremberg
◆ Father: Unknown Vorchtel

(* about? 1185), † 1257 in Nuremberg Barfüsserkloster

erw.1236-1255

∞ with Gertrud v.Rot N244

(* about? 1190), † 4.7.1278 in Nuremberg Barfüsserkloster

Son:
1. Conrad, (* about? 1215) -, see Vorc-22 / a

Regesten:
• erw. 1236-1255, † 1257.
[A. Scharr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963]

• 1254 Berthold Forchtel and Cunrad his son in a witness series.

• 1255 in a Nuremberg witness series, including: Heinrich von Mayenthal , Coler his brother, Sibot Pfinzing , Berthold Forchtelin , Conrad his son, Heinrich Togler , Hermann Graf .
[Nuremberg Yearbooks Vol. 1-2 p.29,31]

• Comp. [B.Aign: AL Zinn, Gen.Jahrbuch Bd.45 / 46 2008] Here indicated as Berthold's parents: Georg Vorchtel ∞ Pfinzing (without further data). However, I think something in the ancestors in this ancestral list to be confused (HDL).

Regesta to Gertrud v.Rot:
[A. Scharr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963]

Probably sister of Conrad v.Roth (HDL), see [A.Scharr: Gen.Jb. 3 1963 p.13]

Berthold married von Rot, Gertrud in UNKNOWN in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Gertrud was born about 1190 in Germany; died on 4 Jul 1278 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; was buried after 4 Jul 1278 in Barfüsselkloister, Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]