Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:
Siboto Pfinzing - in Nuremberg
Father: Siboto Pfincinch

(* about? 1255)

1278, 1282, 1288 mentioned. 1317, 1319 Named.

∞1) (about? 1282) with ... Esler N604

(* about? 1260), † 1310

Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

her father: Konrad Esler N600 , (* 1215)
documented in 1253 in Bamberg. 1276 with his son Konrad citizen to Bamberg. See Eslr-21 / a

∞2) (about? 1311) with ... .... N605

(* about? 1280)

unknown second wife of Siboto

Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Konrad, (* about? 1283) - In Nuremberg, mayor, see Pfin-23 / s

2. Hans, (* about? 1285) - in Nuremberg, at Heumarkt, see Pfin-23 / t

3. Michael, (* about? 1288) - in Nuremberg, see Pfin-23 / u

4. Margarete Pfinzing Nk29 , (* about? 1290)

∞ 1310 with Friedrich Behaim N399

* 1285, † 1365

Losunger in Nuremberg. See Beh-23 / a

his parents: Albrecht Behaim N731 , * 6.2.1250, † 6.10.1342 in Nuremberg, 92 years old
merchant in Nuremberg, the spices from Venice moved. Since 1288 in the council, mayor of several times. See Beh-22 / a ; ∞ 1.10.1280 with Ursula Kingfisher N732 , (* about? 1262), † 25.5.1328 in Nuremberg St. Cath ..

5. Agnes Pfinzing N606 , (* about? 1300/1305), † 26.2.1357

∞ (about? 1325) with Konrad Waldstromeyr N607

(* about? 1305), † 5.11.1360

1343-1360 mentioned. See Wstr-24 / a

his parents: Konrad Waldstromer N609 , (* about? 1275), † 28.12.1357
He is first called Stromer . After being loaned to the Nuremberg Forestry Office, he is alternately called Stromer and Waldstromer . "Konrad III". See Wstr-23 / a ; ∞ with Catharina Groß N771 , (* about? 1282), † after 1343
(sister of the mayor Conrad Groß) .

from 2nd marriage:
6. Kunigunde Pfinzing Nn62 , (* about? 1310)

∞ with Jacob Weigel N644

(* about? 1305), † before 1379

1340-1376. See Weig-24 / v

his parents: Stefan Weigel N807 , (* about? 1275), † before 1321
1308, 1311 mentioned. Imperial administrator of the Hofmark Berngau. Reichsgut Eschenau. See Weig-23 / w ; ∞ with Offnay v.Heimburg N808 , (* about? 1285), † after 1352
1321-1352 as a widow ..

7. Berchtold, (* about? 1315) - at the Milchmarkt in Nuremberg, see Pfin-23 / w

Regesten:
• Sibot Pfinzing , 1278 and 1288 (until 1319)

• Son of Sibot

• ∞1) with the sister of the mayor Conrad Esler

• ∞2) with....
[A.Scharr: The ans. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Vol.3 1963 p.14]

• 1278 witnesses: Conrad Schultheiß of Nuremberg, Sifrid Ebner , Cunrad and Sibot Pfinzing , Heinrich Holzschuher .
[Nuremberg Yearbooks Vol. 1-2, 1834, p.55]

• Siboto Phinzing , brother of Konrad, 1278-1288 in the Nuremberg Charterbook .

• Ulman Stromer : A sister of the "good judge" Konrad Esler was married to "Sebot Pfinzing , who was Hansen's father and Michel Pfinzing's father".

• Probably identical to: Siboto Pfinzing , 1317 and 1319 among the named of the Nuremberg Council.

• To Sibotos sons. A sibling (after 1396): Cunrat Pfinczig at the stok, Sulteiss, Hans Pfinczig his brother at the hewmarkt, Michel Pfinczig his brother at the preachers.,

• 16.2.1343: The mayor Konrad Groß calls Cunrad, Hans and Michel Pfinzing (ie Sibotos sons) his Oheime.

• Sebot Pfinzing and the Eslerin have the four siblings as grandchildren: 1) Cunrat, Hans Hainrich, Jakob Waltstromer and brother of the Apt zu Helsbrunn and her sister Franz Forstmeisterin ; 2) Cunrat Pfintzig and his brother Perholt; 3) Markart and Fritz Pfintzig and their brother (Heinrich) zu Babenberg; 4) Sebolt Pfintzig , who has the Vorchtels daughter. These are the around 1385/1387 living relatives of Ulman Stromer .
[Miracle, MVGN 49, pp. 37-39]

→ This Siboto is missing from Biedermann. There in Plate 393 there is a Siboto, which is recorded from 1253, and as its alleged son a Siboto, who died in 1379. The younger one is not a son but the great-grandson of the older one. (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
[Miracle, MVGN 49 p.38]
Her death 1310 [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

Regesten too ... ....:
• unknown second wife of Siboto [Wunder S.41]

Regesten to Agnes Pfinzing:
→ The parents of this Agnes Pfinzing are wrongly stated at Biedermann:

• Conrad Waldstromer , 1356 founder of the Pilgrim's Hospital, † 5.11.1360, ∞ Agnes Pfinzing , † 26.2.1357, Tv Berthold Pfinzing , knight and imperial council, ∞ Agnes Irrer .
[Biedermann panel 546 Waldstromer]

→ In the Pfinzing table 496 Biedermann indicates that the Agnes Pfinzing daughter of Berthold died in 1357, which is hardly possible in time (HDL).

• Agnes Waldstromer born. Pfinzing is the dam of a children's series, which, according to Ulman Stromer, must be the grandson of Sebot Pfinzing from his first marriage with the esler .
[Miracle: Pfinzing p.39]

→ The Eslerin dies in 1310. She must have been around 35/40 when she got the daughter Agnes around 1300/1305, who then married Konrad Waldstromer . Their children may then have been born approximately in the period 1325/1340. (HDL)

→ Ulman Stromer reports that the children of Agnesoo Waldstromer are grandsons of the Eslerin . Wunder [S.41] says that Agnes must come from the second marriage of Siboto, so that their children, contrary to Ulman Stromer's opinion, can be stepchildren and not grandchildren of the Eslerin . I would like to follow this, because it is quite possible in time, that Agnes is a late daughter of the donkey (HDL).

Regesten to Kunigunde Pfinzing:
• Jakob Weigel s wife Kunigunde is the daughter of Siboto Pfinzing from his first marriage to the sister of the mayor Conrad Esler . Her daughter Clara Weigel ∞ with Georg Ammann .
[Scharr: Waldstromer 52.MVGN 1962/63 p.30]

→ She may have been born about 1305 (HDL).

→ See also Kunigunde Pfinzing (Tv Pfin-24 / e Bertold) ∞ Seifrid Weigel , Weig-25 / g .

Margarete married Behaim, Friedrich on 19 Jan 1310 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Friedrich (son of Behaim, Albrecht and Eisvogel, Ursula) was born on 25 Jan 1285 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died on 14 Jun 1365 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; was buried after 14 Jun 1365 in St Catherine Church, Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Behaim, Friedrich was born in 1311 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in 1379 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany.
2. Behaim, Herdegan was born in 1312 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in 1379 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany.
3. Behaim, Michael was born on 29 Sep 1315 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died on 10 Jan 1389 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany.
4. Behaim, Crafft was born in 1326 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in 1406 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany.

Other Events and Attributes:

• FSID: LTYR-T92

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:
Siboto Pfinzing - in Nuremberg
Father: Siboto Pfincinch

(* about? 1255)

1278, 1282, 1288 mentioned. 1317, 1319 Named.

∞1) (about? 1282) with ... Esler N604

(* about? 1260), † 1310

Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

her father: Konrad Esler N600 , (* 1215)
documented in 1253 in Bamberg. 1276 with his son Konrad citizen to Bamberg. See Eslr-21 / a

∞2) (about? 1311) with ... .... N605

(* about? 1280)

unknown second wife of Siboto

Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Konrad, (* about? 1283) - In Nuremberg, mayor, see Pfin-23 / s

2. Hans, (* about? 1285) - in Nuremberg, at Heumarkt, see Pfin-23 / t

3. Michael, (* about? 1288) - in Nuremberg, see Pfin-23 / u

4. Margarete Pfinzing Nk29 , (* about? 1290)

∞ 1310 with Friedrich Behaim N399

* 1285, † 1365

Losunger in Nuremberg. See Beh-23 / a

his parents: Albrecht Behaim N731 , * 6.2.1250, † 6.10.1342 in Nuremberg, 92 years old
merchant in Nuremberg, the spices from Venice moved. Since 1288 in the council, mayor of several times. See Beh-22 / a ; ∞ 1.10.1280 with Ursula Kingfisher N732 , (* about? 1262), † 25.5.1328 in Nuremberg St. Cath ..

5. Agnes Pfinzing N606 , (* about? 1300/1305), † 26.2.1357

∞ (about? 1325) with Konrad Waldstromeyr N607

(* about? 1305), † 5.11.1360

1343-1360 mentioned. See Wstr-24 / a

his parents: Konrad Waldstromer N609 , (* about? 1275), † 28.12.1357
He is first called Stromer . After being loaned to the Nuremberg Forestry Office, he is alternately called Stromer and Waldstromer . "Konrad III". See Wstr-23 / a ; ∞ with Catharina Groß N771 , (* about? 1282), † after 1343
(sister of the mayor Conrad Groß) .

from 2nd marriage:
6. Kunigunde Pfinzing Nn62 , (* about? 1310)

∞ with Jacob Weigel N644

(* about? 1305), † before 1379

1340-1376. See Weig-24 / v

his parents: Stefan Weigel N807 , (* about? 1275), † before 1321
1308, 1311 mentioned. Imperial administrator of the Hofmark Berngau. Reichsgut Eschenau. See Weig-23 / w ; ∞ with Offnay v.Heimburg N808 , (* about? 1285), † after 1352
1321-1352 as a widow ..

7. Berchtold, (* about? 1315) - at the Milchmarkt in Nuremberg, see Pfin-23 / w

Regesten:
• Sibot Pfinzing , 1278 and 1288 (until 1319)

• Son of Sibot

• ∞1) with the sister of the mayor Conrad Esler

• ∞2) with....
[A.Scharr: The ans. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Vol.3 1963 p.14]

• 1278 witnesses: Conrad Schultheiß of Nuremberg, Sifrid Ebner , Cunrad and Sibot Pfinzing , Heinrich Holzschuher .
[Nuremberg Yearbooks Vol. 1-2, 1834, p.55]

• Siboto Phinzing , brother of Konrad, 1278-1288 in the Nuremberg Charterbook .

• Ulman Stromer : A sister of the "good judge" Konrad Esler was married to "Sebot Pfinzing , who was Hansen's father and Michel Pfinzing's father".

• Probably identical to: Siboto Pfinzing , 1317 and 1319 among the named of the Nuremberg Council.

• To Sibotos sons. A sibling (after 1396): Cunrat Pfinczig at the stok, Sulteiss, Hans Pfinczig his brother at the hewmarkt, Michel Pfinczig his brother at the preachers.,

• 16.2.1343: The mayor Konrad Groß calls Cunrad, Hans and Michel Pfinzing (ie Sibotos sons) his Oheime.

• Sebot Pfinzing and the Eslerin have the four siblings as grandchildren: 1) Cunrat, Hans Hainrich, Jakob Waltstromer and brother of the Apt zu Helsbrunn and her sister Franz Forstmeisterin ; 2) Cunrat Pfintzig and his brother Perholt; 3) Markart and Fritz Pfintzig and their brother (Heinrich) zu Babenberg; 4) Sebolt Pfintzig , who has the Vorchtels daughter. These are the around 1385/1387 living relatives of Ulman Stromer .
[Miracle, MVGN 49, pp. 37-39]

→ This Siboto is missing from Biedermann. There in Plate 393 there is a Siboto, which is recorded from 1253, and as its alleged son a Siboto, who died in 1379. The younger one is not a son but the great-grandson of the older one. (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
[Miracle, MVGN 49 p.38]
Her death 1310 [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

Regesten too ... ....:
• unknown second wife of Siboto [Wunder S.41]

Regesten to Agnes Pfinzing:
→ The parents of this Agnes Pfinzing are wrongly stated at Biedermann:

• Conrad Waldstromer , 1356 founder of the Pilgrim's Hospital, † 5.11.1360, ∞ Agnes Pfinzing , † 26.2.1357, Tv Berthold Pfinzing , knight and imperial council, ∞ Agnes Irrer .
[Biedermann panel 546 Waldstromer]

→ In the Pfinzing table 496 Biedermann indicates that the Agnes Pfinzing daughter of Berthold died in 1357, which is hardly possible in time (HDL).

• Agnes Waldstromer born. Pfinzing is the dam of a children's series, which, according to Ulman Stromer, must be the grandson of Sebot Pfinzing from his first marriage with the esler .
[Miracle: Pfinzing p.39]

→ The Eslerin dies in 1310. She must have been around 35/40 when she got the daughter Agnes around 1300/1305, who then married Konrad Waldstromer . Their children may then have been born approximately in the period 1325/1340. (HDL)

→ Ulman Stromer reports that the children of Agnesoo Waldstromer are grandsons of the Eslerin . Wunder [S.41] says that Agnes must come from the second marriage of Siboto, so that their children, contrary to Ulman Stromer's opinion, can be stepchildren and not grandchildren of the Eslerin . I would like to follow this, because it is quite possible in time, that Agnes is a late daughter of the donkey (HDL).

Regesten to Kunigunde Pfinzing:
• Jakob Weigel s wife Kunigunde is the daughter of Siboto Pfinzing from his first marriage to the sister of the mayor Conrad Esler . Her daughter Clara Weigel ∞ with Georg Ammann .
[Scharr: Waldstromer 52.MVGN 1962/63 p.30]

→ She may have been born about 1305 (HDL).

→ See also Kunigunde Pfinzing (Tv Pfin-24 / e Bertold) ∞ Seifrid Weigel , Weig-25 / g .

Siboto married Esler, Klara about 1282 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Klara (daughter of Esler, Konrad) was born about 1260 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in 1310 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:
Konrad Esler N600 - in Bamberg, Schultheiss Neumarkt
Father: Eslr-20 / s Conrad? Asinarius Na75

(* about? 1215)

1253-1275 two brothers of the same name in Bamberg. 1254 mayor in Neumarkt.

Children:
1. (Sofie?) Esler N612 , (* about? 1235)
Your first name is not Kunigunde. 11 children.

∞ (about? 1255) with Conrad Stromer N578

(* about? 1230), † before 20.7.1319

1283-1313 1291 Schöffe in Nuremberg. In 1313 he buys a meadow near Hersbruck. See Stro-22 / a

his parents: Conrad von Reichenbach gen. Stromer N579 , (* about? 1205)
Conrad v.Reichenbach calls himself after his wedding " Stromer" (urk for the first time around 1242). 1267 in Schwabach. Citizen Nuremberg. 33 children from 3 marriages. See Stro-21 / aoo ; ∞ (about? 1230) with (daughter) Stromer N580 , (* about? 1210)
See Stro-21 / a .

he ∞2) (about? 1300) with Kunigunde / Anna v.Laufenholz N851

(* about? 1280)

2. Rudger, (* about? 1235/1240) - in Nuremberg, see Eslr-22 / a

3. Klara Esler N783 , (* about? 1245)

∞ with Fritz Kudorf N782

(* about? 1240), † 1333

ext. from 1270 See Kudf-22 / e

his father: Konrad von Küdorf Ni10 , (* 1215)
Ritter, 1261 in Nuremberg. See Kudf-21 / e

4. ... Esler N685 , (* about? 1247)
1317: "Konrad Eseler's sister" has 2 sons: Franz and Konrad. Is she a married Gundloch?

∞ with Gundloch Nb59

(* about? 1240)

1296/98 Mr. Withigo / Weyker and Mr. Gundloch his brother. See Gund-21 / e

his father: Gundeloch Nb60 , (* about? 1195)
1231 one of the "domestici" (= "housemates") of the Bamberg cathedral chapter. The same ?: Gundloch 1249-1262 Mayor of Bamberg. See Gund-20 / e

5. Konrad, (* about? 1250) - "the good judge", "the founder", see Eslr-22 / b

6. Gramlieb, (* about? 1257) - in Nuremberg, see Eslr-22 / c

7. ... Esler N604 , (* 1260), † 1310
Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

∞ (about? 1282) with Siboto Pfinzing N603

(* about? 1255)

1278, 1282, 1288 mentioned. 1317, 1319 Named. See Pfin-22 / s

his father: Siboto Pfinzing N602 , (* about? 1215)
1251-1266 (Nuremberg Urk'buch) among the first citizens and in the citizens' representation ("universitas civium") mentioned. See Pfin-21 / s ∞1) before 1251 with Anna Ebner N206 (* about? 1230)
∞2) (about 1258) with ... .... H865 (* about? 1235)

he ∞2) (about? 1311) with ... .... N605

(* about? 1280)

unknown second wife of Siboto

8. Gisela Esler N629 , (* about? 1265), † after 1339
sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

∞ (about? 1287) with Heinz Groß N630

(* about? 1250), † zw 1314/1317

In Nuremberg, first documented 1276-1306. Death between 1314-1317. See Gros-22 / a

his father: Heinz Groß Ni16 , (* about? 1220)
"The grindy Heinz". 1289 in Nuremberg. ∞ with Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf. See Gros-21 / a

he ∞1) (about? 1273) with Sofie v. Vestenberg N631

(* about? 1250), † about? 1286

 Children: 1st Bartholomew Great N105 , * (about? 1288), † 1358.2. Philipp Groß N774 , * (about? 1290), † after 1355.3. Franz Pfinzing Nh44 , * (about? 1380).
Regesten:
Summary : In 1253/1275 there are two brothers of the same name in Bamberg called Conrad Eseler , in Latin Chunradus Asinarius . (The terms "older / younger" are not to be understood as father and son.) In Bamberg you have a house "Im Bach" Nr.2001, Vorderer Bach Nr.5. The brothers are called "filii Asinarii" . Her father's name was Asinarius / Eseler .

• Presumably it is the descendants of the two Conrad, which are distinguished from 1392 as black donkey and red rot.

• 1253: Chunradus Asinarius in Bamberg. [Urk.Regesten z.Gesch. the cities of the Hochstift Würzburg 1172-1413, Regesta Herbipolensia III S.9]

• 1255: Chunradus et Chunradus filii Asinarii . [19.BHVB, Bamberg 1856]

• 1264: Cunrado et Cunrado fratribus, dictis Asinariis , civibus ibidem. [Regesta ... Boica ... vol.III, 1825]

• 5.12.1275 immunity representatives: Cunradus senior Asinarius ; Cunradus asinarius antiquus; Conrade Eseler the parent. - 19.11.1276 citizens.

• 5.12.1275 Representatives of Immunities: Cunradus iunior frater eius.
[Officials in the city court and in the immunities in Bamberg 1300-1500, in: Claudia Esch, between institution and individual, civil space for action in medieval Bamberg. Ergon-Verlag Würzburg 2016]
[Notes Fr.Zö. 2018]

• 1254 Konrad Eseler mayor in Neumarkt / OPf.
[Gewin: Bloom and decline of high nobility genders in the Middle Ages, 1955, p.176]

→ Gewin sets this Schultheiß equal with Chunrad v.Dietenhofen , who takes the surname Eseler . Why??? The Nuremberg mayor of 1254 is likely to be more identical to the Bamberg Cunradus Asinarius , whose eponymous son ("the good judge") mayor in Nuremberg and from 1295 also mayor in Neumarkt. (HDL)

• 1253, 1264: two brothers of the same name Cunrad filii Asinarii cives Bambergenses.
[Arneth p.242]

• 1264: The dean and provost of St.Jakob Eberhard of Würzburg records that he and the heirs of the noble, honorable and esteemed brothers Cunrad and Cunrad Asinarius (viris discretis et honestis nobis dilectis Cunrado et Cunrado fratribus Asinariis), citizens of Babenberch with the consent of Prince-Bishop Berthold (Count of Leiningen) and the permanent Vicar of St.Maria Albert (von Rindsmaul), a garden at their house, the extent of which he had confined to fences, as a permanent possession.

• It is the house of the Eseler , Nr.2001, Vorderer Bach 5. - Later here: At the time of Bishop Wulfing (1304-1318) Cunz donkey with his wife Alheid.
[H.Paschke: The brook. Festschrift, Bamberg 1956, p. 8]

→ About the Father of Konrad Esler :

• His father: Chunrad v.Dietenhofen gen.Esler . [Threaded]

• Documented since 1253 in Bamberg. 1264 together with his eponymous brother Konrad. [Miracle "Pfintzing the Elders" p.62]

• Miracle does not name a father for this Konrad Esler. He considers Gewin's derivation of the Esler from the Dietenhofen to be outlandish.

• Herbert E. Lemmel ["On the tradition of the donkeys / donkeys in Bamberg and Nuremberg", Genealogy Jg.15 Nov.1966 S.433ff] argues against miracles and for Gewin. The v.Dietenhofen lead a donkey's head in the coat of arms.

• Conrad Esler is through his three children Conrad (whose daughter ∞ with Hermann Eisvogel) , Kunigunde (∞ with Conrad Stromeir) and Rudiger (whose daughter ∞ with Wolfram Stromeir) the progenitor of a tribe Stromer-Eisvogel and others, the trade and mining in the Carpathian region operate.
[Stromer, Hochfinanz, 1970]

→ Error note:

• Conrad Ass's father-in-law is the Bamberger Kämmerer Hartmann .
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "Contribution ....", 116. Ber. d. Hist. Association Bamberg 1980, p.117 = correction to previous publications]

• The chamberlain Hartmann is mentioned in documents 1268-1272.
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "... Gundloch ...", Genealogy Bd.8 Feb.1967 p.581]

→ Hartmann as father-in-law of Conrad donkey should therefore hardly fit in time! (HDL)

Regesten zu (Sofie?) Esler:
• Her first name is given in Biedermann with Kunigunde, which is the first name of Conrad Stromer's second wife.
[Scharr: Forest Streamers p.35]

• At [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964] their parents are given: Konrad Esler ∞ Anna Pfinzing. - That's wrong for a generation. (HDL)

Regesto to Kunigunde / Anna v.Laufenholz:
• (Kunigunde) v.Laufenholz ∞ with Conrad Stromer , 4 children. She is the sister of Friedrich v.Laufenholz .
[Scharr: Forest Streamers p.35]

• Conrad Stromer ∞2) with Anna v.Laufenholz , 5 children. She is the daughter of Fritz v.Lauffenholz ∞ Anna Eßlerin .
[Biedermann panel 460B Stromer]

Regesta to Klara Esler:
[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.24, but there no father specified.] Assignment as a daughter of Konrad Esler only, because it fits in time. (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
• 5.12.1317: Provost Konrad v.Giech gives the Konrad Eseler and Franz and Konrad, his sister's sons, behind the coin a pound of pennies from customs to Bamberg.
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "Gundloch," Genealogy Feb.1967]

→ Is Konrad Esler's sister married to "Mr. Gundloch behind the coin"? (So ​​adopted by Herbert E. Lemmel.) Or who else lives "behind the coin"? (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
[Miracle, MVGN 49 p.38]
Her death 1310 [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

Regesta to Anna Ebner:
• Not on the board Ebner bei Biedermann.

Regesten too ... ....:
• unknown second wife of Siboto [Wunder S.41]

Regesta to Gisela Esler:
[Miracle MVGN 49 p.38] - [Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p. 23]

Regesta to Sofie v. Vestenberg:
• For her was stated: † before 1298. Because of the second marriage of her husband Heinz Gross, she would have died shortly after 1285. (HDL)

• 10.8.1340: Jahrestagstiftung of Konrad Groß for his parents Heinrich and Suffey.
[Miracle p.39 footnote 36]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Siboto Pfincinch

Notes:

From Lemmel:
Siboto Pfinzing N602 - in Nuremberg
Parents: Pfin-20 / a Sifrid Pfincinch N601 , Österhild Bigenot N331

(* about? 1215)

1251-1266 (Nuremberg Urk'buch) among the first citizens and in the citizens' representation ("universitas civium") mentioned.

∞1) before 1251 with Anna Ebner N206

(* about? 1230)

her parents: Seifrid Ebner N207 , (* about? 1185)
1234 in Nuremberg. See Ebnr-20 / a ; ∞ with Anna Vorchtel N208 , (* about? 1190)
See Vorc-21 / e .

∞2) (about 1258) with ... .... H865

(* about? 1235)

Children:
from 1st marriage:
1. Konrad, (* about? 1250) - in Nuremberg, mayor, knight, see Pfin-22 / r

2. Siboto, (* about? 1255) - in Nuremberg, see Pfin-22 / s

from 2nd marriage:
3rd Pignot / Bigenot Pfinzing Ne45 , (* about? 1260)
urk. 1282-1307

4. Ulrich Pfinzing Hb40 , (* about? 1262)
clergyman.

5. Berthold Pfinzing H722 , (* about? 1265), † probably 1297
urk. 1287 (1290-1298?)

Regesten:
• Siboto Pfincinch / Phinzing 1251-1266 in Nuremberg among the first citizens. He is the third in 1251, the second in 1253 and the first of the court in 1263 after the mayor. He is thus already part of the corporation, which in 1254 is called "universitas civium" (community of citizens) and from which the Council emerges. His brother Merklin Phinzing is called "honestus vir" (honorable man) or "vir discretus ac fidedignus" (knowledgeable and credible man).
[Wunder p.38ff, 56]

• Sibot Pfinzing , Urk. 1251-1266.
[A.Scharr: The ans. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Vol.3 1963 p.14]
• mentioned in Nuremberg in 1253: Sibot Pfinzing and Berthold Turbreche . (No further details)

• 1254 also in a witness series.

• 1255 in a Nuremberg witness series, including: Heinrich von Mayenthal , Coler his brother, Sibot Pfinzing , Berthold Forchtelin , Conrad his son, Heinrich Togler , Hermann Graf .

• 1258: Berthold, the mayor of Nuremberg, carries a meadow near Neuhof to the fief of Heinrich von Stein , Butigler in Nuremberg, and gives the meadow. Among the witnesses: Heinrich von Stein , Seibot Pfinzing , Albrecht Ebner , Conrad Stromeier , Conrad Forchtlin , Hermann Graf .
[Nuremberg Annuals Vol. 1-2 p.28,31,34]

• 1263: Siboto Pfinzing and Merclin Pfinzing , citizens of Nuremberg.
[Nuremberg Yearbook Vol. 1-2 p.38]

• 1265: Siboto Phinzingus , Merclinus frater eius, first and second in a series of witnesses.
[Nürnberger document 411, Heilsbronner documents Nr.117. - Note from M.Keßler 2014]

• 1265 seals and signatures, among others: City Councilor Kon. Stromaier , Siboto Pfinzing .
[History Heilsbronn Bd.2, digital on the Internet 2015]

• 1251-1265 mentioned in Nuremberg, in the citizens' representation and in the court hot court. ∞ before 1251 in Nuremberg with Anna Ebner , daughter of Seifried Ebner, 1234 in Nuremberg, ∞ with Anna Vorchtlin .
[AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

→ After this marriage Ebner Siboto must have had a second wife, since the sons Pignot and Conrad Pfinzing are mentioned as step-brothers, see [Scharr].

• The data for Siboto at Biedermann. The father given by Biedermann (Berthold I) and son (Siboto, lives 1378) are incorrect. Conrad, Pigenot, Ulrich and Berthold II Pfinzing are not Siboto's brothers but his sons.

[Biedermann panel 393]

Regesta to Anna Ebner:
• Not on the board Ebner bei Biedermann.

Regesten to Pignot / Bigenot Pfinzing:
• Pignot Phinzing 1282-1307, a brother of Konrad.
[Miracle p.37]

• Pignot (Bigenot) Pfinzing , Urk. 1282 and 1288, erw. until 1307

• Son of Sibot and stepbrother of Conrad
[A.Scharr: The spelled. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Vol.3 1963 p.14]

• Pigenot Pfinzing , 1288 witness in a document.
[Biedermann panel 393]

• 13.5.1307: Conrad Pfinzing and his brother Bigenot sell ...
[StadtA Nbg online]

Regesta to Ulrich Pfinzing:
• A brother of Pigenot and Berthold: Ulrich Pfinzing in the spiritual state. Without a year.
[Biedermann panel 393]

• Not mentioned in miracles.

Regesten to Berthold Pfinzing:
• Berchtold Phinzinch (not the mayor!) 1287, 1288.
[NUB 745, 768, miracle p.37] No further information.

• Berthold Pfinzing 1287 (1290-1298?), Son of Sibot and stepbrother of Conrad.
[A. Scharr: The ans. Citizen of Nuremberg, in: Gen.Jb. Vol.3 1963 p.14]

→ Biedermann [Plate 394] gives the year of death 1297 for Berthold II.

→ Biedermann [plates 393,394] states as his children: Bertold Reichs-Schultheiß, Hedwig Abbess, Elisabeth ∞ Geuschmid . These are correct children of Merklin Pfinzing , Pfin-21 / a.

Siboto married Ebner, Anna before 1251 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Anna (daughter of Ebner, Seifrid and Vorchtel, Anna) was born in 1225 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in 1258 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:
Seifrid Ebner - in Nuremberg

◆ Father: Fritz Ebner

(* about? 1185)

1234 in Nuremberg.

∞ with Anna Vorchtel N208

(* about? 1190)

See Vorc-21 / e

her father: ... Vorchtel N256 , (* 1155)
Suspected father of Anna and Berthold. See Vorc-20 / a

Children:
1. Sifrid Ebner Nn01 , (* about? 1212)
1265 citizens in Nuremberg.

2. Hermann, (* about? 1215) - in Nuremberg, see Ebnr-21 / a

3. Albert the Elder, (* about? 1218) - in Nuremberg, see Ebnr-21 / j

4. Heinrich, (* about? 1225) - in Nuremberg, see Ebnr-21 / o

5. Anna Ebner N206 , (* about? 1230)

∞ before 1251 with Siboto Pfincinch N602

(* about? 1215)

1251-1266 (Nuremberg Urk'buch) among the first citizens and in the citizens' representation ("universitas civium") mentioned. See Pfin-21 / s

his parents: Sifrid Pfincinch N601 , (* c . 1190)
1233 with his wife Oesterhildis in a deed of the abbot of Heilsbronn. See Pfin-20 / a ; ∞ about? 1215 with Österhild Bigenot N331 , (* about? 1200).

he ∞2) (sth. 1258) with ... .... H865

(* about? 1235)

Regesten:
• Seifried Ebner , known in 1234, his wife a born Vorchtlin . His father: Fritz Ebner , ancestor of Ebner, lived in the year 1200. - Seifried's sons: Seifried, 1278 witness; Heinrich, lived in 1265; Hermann, 1251 witness.
[Biedermann panel 22]

→ Seifried 1278 must be one generation younger. After [Scharr] he is a son of Albert!

• 1251-1263 Albert Ebner the Elder in Nuremberg [Scharr, miracles]. That must be another son of Seifried (HDL).

• Additionally a daughter Anna ∞ Pfinzing [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

Regesta to Sifrid Ebner:
• 1265: Walter Schenk called Bratselden donates his goods in cake to Nuremberg citizens Conrad Forchtel and Sifrid Ebner as property.
[Nuremberg Yearbook Vol. 1-2 p.38]

• Seifried Ebner 1278 witness.
[Biedermann panel 22]

Regesta to Anna Ebner:
• Not on the board Ebner bei Biedermann.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Life Event: 1254, Neumarkt, Neumarkt in der Oberpfalz, Bayern, Germany; Mayor

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:
Konrad Esler in Bamberg, Schultheiss Neumarkt
Father: Conrad? Asinarius
(* about? 1215)

1253-1275 two brothers of the same name in Bamberg. 1254 mayor in Neumarkt.

Children:
1. (Sofie?) Esler N612 , (* about? 1235)
Your first name is not Kunigunde. 11 children.
∞ (about? 1255) with Conrad Stromer
(* about? 1230), † before 20.7.1319
1283-1313 1291 Schöffe in Nuremberg. In 1313 he buys a meadow near Hersbruck. See Stro-22 / a
his parents: Conrad von Reichenbach gen. Stromer N579 , (* about? 1205)
Conrad v.Reichenbach calls himself after his wedding " Stromer" (urk for the first time around 1242). 1267 in Schwabach. Citizen Nuremberg. 33 children from 3 marriages. See Stro-21 / aoo ; ∞ (about? 1230) with (daughter) Stromer N580 , (* about? 1210)

he ∞2) (about? 1300) with Kunigunde / Anna v.Laufenholz N851

(* about? 1280)

2. Rudger, (* about? 1235/1240) - in Nuremberg, see Eslr-22 / a

3. Klara Esler N783 , (* about? 1245)

∞ with Fritz Kudorf N782

(* about? 1240), † 1333

ext. from 1270 See Kudf-22 / e

his father: Konrad von Küdorf Ni10 , (* 1215)
Ritter, 1261 in Nuremberg. See Kudf-21 / e

4. ... Esler N685 , (* about? 1247)
1317: "Konrad Eseler's sister" has 2 sons: Franz and Konrad. Is she a married Gundloch?

∞ with Gundloch Nb59

(* about? 1240)

1296/98 Mr. Withigo / Weyker and Mr. Gundloch his brother. See Gund-21 / e

his father: Gundeloch Nb60 , (* about? 1195)
1231 one of the "domestici" (= "housemates") of the Bamberg cathedral chapter. The same ?: Gundloch 1249-1262 Mayor of Bamberg. See Gund-20 / e

5. Konrad, (* about? 1250) - "the good judge", "the founder", see Eslr-22 / b

6. Gramlieb, (* about? 1257) - in Nuremberg, see Eslr-22 / c

7. ... Esler N604 , (* 1260), † 1310
Sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

∞ (about? 1282) with Siboto Pfinzing N603

(* about? 1255)

1278, 1282, 1288 mentioned. 1317, 1319 Named. See Pfin-22 / s

his father: Siboto Pfinzing N602 , (* about? 1215)
1251-1266 (Nuremberg Urk'buch) among the first citizens and in the citizens' representation ("universitas civium") mentioned. See Pfin-21 / s ∞1) before 1251 with Anna Ebner N206 (* about? 1230)
∞2) (about 1258) with ... .... H865 (* about? 1235)

he ∞2) (about? 1311) with ... .... N605

(* about? 1280)

unknown second wife of Siboto

8. Gisela Esler N629 , (* about? 1265), † after 1339
sister of the mayor Conrad Esler .

∞ (about? 1287) with Heinz Groß N630

(* about? 1250), † zw 1314/1317

In Nuremberg, first documented 1276-1306. Death between 1314-1317. See Gros-22 / a

his father: Heinz Groß Ni16 , (* about? 1220)
"The grindy Heinz". 1289 in Nuremberg. ∞ with Anna Straß / Strezz from Jahrsdorf. See Gros-21 / a

he ∞1) (about? 1273) with Sofie v. Vestenberg N631

(* about? 1250), † about? 1286

 Children: 1st Bartholomew Great N105 , * (about? 1288), † 1358.2. Philipp Groß N774 , * (about? 1290), † after 1355.3. Franz Pfinzing Nh44 , * (about? 1380).
Regesten:
Summary : In 1253/1275 there are two brothers of the same name in Bamberg called Conrad Eseler , in Latin Chunradus Asinarius . (The terms "older / younger" are not to be understood as father and son.) In Bamberg you have a house "Im Bach" Nr.2001, Vorderer Bach Nr.5. The brothers are called "filii Asinarii" . Her father's name was Asinarius / Eseler .

• Presumably it is the descendants of the two Conrad, which are distinguished from 1392 as black donkey and red rot.

• 1253: Chunradus Asinarius in Bamberg. [Urk.Regesten z.Gesch. the cities of the Hochstift Würzburg 1172-1413, Regesta Herbipolensia III S.9]

• 1255: Chunradus et Chunradus filii Asinarii . [19.BHVB, Bamberg 1856]

• 1264: Cunrado et Cunrado fratribus, dictis Asinariis , civibus ibidem. [Regesta ... Boica ... vol.III, 1825]

• 5.12.1275 immunity representatives: Cunradus senior Asinarius ; Cunradus asinarius antiquus; Conrade Eseler the parent. - 19.11.1276 citizens.

• 5.12.1275 Representatives of Immunities: Cunradus iunior frater eius.
[Officials in the city court and in the immunities in Bamberg 1300-1500, in: Claudia Esch, between institution and individual, civil space for action in medieval Bamberg. Ergon-Verlag Würzburg 2016]
[Notes Fr.Zö. 2018]

• 1254 Konrad Eseler mayor in Neumarkt / OPf.
[Gewin: Bloom and decline of high nobility genders in the Middle Ages, 1955, p.176]

→ Gewin sets this Schultheiß equal with Chunrad v.Dietenhofen , who takes the surname Eseler . Why??? The Nuremberg mayor of 1254 is likely to be more identical to the Bamberg Cunradus Asinarius , whose eponymous son ("the good judge") mayor in Nuremberg and from 1295 also mayor in Neumarkt. (HDL)

• 1253, 1264: two brothers of the same name Cunrad filii Asinarii cives Bambergenses.
[Arneth p.242]

• 1264: The dean and provost of St.Jakob Eberhard of Würzburg records that he and the heirs of the noble, honorable and esteemed brothers Cunrad and Cunrad Asinarius (viris discretis et honestis nobis dilectis Cunrado et Cunrado fratribus Asinariis), citizens of Babenberch with the consent of Prince-Bishop Berthold (Count of Leiningen) and the permanent Vicar of St.Maria Albert (von Rindsmaul), a garden at their house, the extent of which he had confined to fences, as permanent possession.

• It is the house of the Eseler , Nr.2001, Vorderer Bach 5. - Later here: At the time of Bishop Wulfing (1304-1318) Cunz donkey with his wife Alheid.
[H.Paschke: The brook. Festschrift, Bamberg 1956, p. 8]

→ About the Father of Konrad Esler :

• His father: Chunrad v.Dietenhofen gen.Esler . [Threaded]

• Documented since 1253 in Bamberg. 1264 together with his eponymous brother Konrad. [Miracle "Pfintzing the Elders" p.62]

• Miracle does not name a father for this Konrad Esler. He considers Gewin's derivation of the Esler from the Dietenhofen to be outlandish.

• Herbert E. Lemmel ["On the tradition of the donkeys / donkeys in Bamberg and Nuremberg", Genealogy Jg.15 Nov.1966 S.433ff] argues against miracles and for Gewin. The v.Dietenhofen lead a donkey's head in the coat of arms.

• Conrad Esler is through his three children Conrad (whose daughter ∞ with Hermann Eisvogel) , Kunigunde (∞ with Conrad Stromeir) and Rudiger (whose daughter ∞ with Wolfram Stromeir) the progenitor of a tribe Stromer-Eisvogel and others, the trade and mining in the Carpathian region operate.
[Stromer, Hochfinanz, 1970]

→ Error note:

• Conrad Ass's father-in-law is the Bamberger Kämmerer Hartmann .
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "Contribution ....", 116. Ber. d. Hist. Association Bamberg 1980, p.117 = correction to previous publications]

• The chamberlain Hartmann is mentioned in documents 1268-1272.
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "... Gundloch ...", Genealogy Bd.8 Feb.1967 p.581]

→ Hartmann as father-in-law of Conrad donkey should therefore hardly fit in time! (HDL)

Regesten zu (Sofie?) Esler:
• Her first name is given in Biedermann with Kunigunde, which is the first name of Conrad Stromer's second wife.
[Scharr: Forest Streamers p.35]

• At [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964] their parents are given: Konrad Esler ∞ Anna Pfinzing. - That's wrong for a generation. (HDL)

Regesto to Kunigunde / Anna v.Laufenholz:
• (Kunigunde) v.Laufenholz ∞ with Conrad Stromer , 4 children. She is the sister of Friedrich v.Laufenholz .
[Scharr: Forest Streamers p.35]

• Conrad Stromer ∞2) with Anna v.Laufenholz , 5 children. She is the daughter of Fritz v.Lauffenholz ∞ Anna Eßlerin .
[Biedermann panel 460B Stromer]

Regesta to Klara Esler:
[Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p.24, but there no father specified.] Assignment as a daughter of Konrad Esler only, because it fits in time. (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
• 5.12.1317: Provost Konrad v.Giech gives the Konrad Eseler and Franz and Konrad, his sister's sons, behind the coin a pound of pennies from customs to Bamberg.
[Herbert E. Lemmel, "Gundloch," Genealogy Feb.1967]

→ Is Konrad Esler's sister married to "Mr. Gundloch behind the coin"? (So ​​adopted by Herbert E. Lemmel.) Or who else lives "behind the coin"? (HDL)

Regesten zu ... Esler:
[Miracle, MVGN 49 p.38]
Her death 1310 [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

Regesta to Anna Ebner:
• Not on the board Ebner bei Biedermann.

Regesten too ... ....:
• unknown second wife of Siboto [Wunder S.41]

Regesta to Gisela Esler:
[Miracle MVGN 49 p.38] - [Scharr: Waldstromer, MVGN 52 p. 23]

Regesta to Sofie v. Vestenberg:
• For her was stated: † before 1298. Because of the second marriage of her husband Heinz Gross, she would have died shortly after 1285. (HDL)

• 10.8.1340: Jahrestagstiftung of Konrad Groß for his parents Heinrich and Suffey.
[Miracle p.39 footnote 36]

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Notes:

From Lemmel:
Sifrid Pfincinch N601 - in Nuremberg
Parents unknown

(* about? 1190)

1233 with his wife Oesterhildis in a deed of the Abbot of Heilsbronn.

∞ about? 1215 with Österhild Bigenot N331

(* about? 1200)

her father: Konrad Bigenot N722 , (* about? 1175)
1226/1251 in the Nuremberg document book [Wunder S.63] 1219-1228 mayor in Nuremberg. See Ebnr-20 / Bi

Children:
1. Siboto, (* about? 1215) - in Nuremberg, see Pfin-21 / s

2. Merklin Pfinzing, (* about? 1217) - mayor in Nuremberg, see Pfin-21 / a

3. Hedwig Pfinzing, (* about? 1220) - ∞ Schurstab / Grundherr, see Pfin-21 / u

Regesten:
• 1233 Sifrid de Norinberc cognomine Pfincinch et uxor sua Oesterhildis, devoti fideles nostrique familiares ... He gives the monastery a predilection in Blindenhaslach (Kleinhaslach).
[in a deed of the Abbot of Heilsbronn, according to miracles]
[Nuremberg Yearbook Vol. 1-2 S.11]
[History of the monastery Heilsbronn, digitally on the Internet 2015]

• The family should come from Pfünz near Eichstätt.
[Mtlg Dr.W.Kraft, Miracle p.59]

→ Older ancestor lists indicate, according to Biedermann, a chamberlain Endres Pfinzing 1197 as progenitor. This Endres is taken from the fake tournament books by Georg Riexner. According to the Nuremberg Register of Records mentioned in 1233 Sifrid is the ancestor of Pfinzing.
[G.Wunder: Pfintzing the ancients. MVGN 49 (1959)]

• Seifried Pfinzing and his housewife Osterhildis in 1233.

• Hedwig Pfinzing ∞ with Mr. Werner Grundherr .
[Biedermann plaque 392 in a list of Pfinzing persons who can not be brought into a genealogical order]

→ In recent ancestor lists, this Seifried is considered the parent of Pfinzing .

→ In [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964] and [Hagner: Die Bigenot ..., Fam.u.Gesch. Issue 2/2000] is stated as a wife: Oesterhild Bigenot , daughter of the mayor Konrad Bigenot.

Sifrid married Bigenot, Österhild about 1215 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. Österhild (daughter of Bigenot, Konrad) was born in 1200 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in DECEASED in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Residence: 1234, Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany

Notes:

From Hans-Dietrich Lemmel:
Seifrid Ebner - in Nuremberg
◆ Father: Ebnr-19 / a Fritz Ebner
◆ (* about? 1185)
◆ 1234 in Nuremberg.
◆ ∞ with Anna Vorchtel N208
✓ (* about? 1190)
✓ her father: N.N. Vorchtel, (* 1155) Suspected father of Anna and Berthold.

Children:
1 Sifrid Ebner, (* about? 1212) 1265 citizens in Nuremberg.
2 Hermann, (* about? 1215) - in Nuremberg, see Ebnr-21 / a
3 Albert the Elder, (* about? 1218) - in Nuremberg, see Ebnr-21 / j
4 Heinrich, (* about? 1225) - in Nuremberg, see Ebnr-21 / o
5 Anna Ebner N206 , (* about? 1230), ∞ before 1251 with Siboto Pfincinch (* about? 1215)

1251-1266 (Nuremberg Urk'buch) among the first citizens and in the citizens' representation ("universitas civium") mentioned. See Pfin-21 / s

his parents: Sifrid Pfincinch N601 , (* c . 1190)
1233 with his wife Oesterhildis in a deed of the abbot of Heilsbronn. See Pfin-20 / a ; ∞ about? 1215 with Österhild Bigenot N331 , (* about? 1200).

he ∞2) (sth. 1258) with ... .... H865

(* about? 1235)

Regesten:
◆ Seifried Ebner , known in 1234, his wife a born Vorchtlin . His father: Fritz Ebner , ancestor of Ebner, lived in the year 1200. - Seifried's sons: Seifried, 1278 witness; Heinrich, lived in 1265; Hermann, 1251 witness.
◆ [Biedermann panel 22]
◆ Seifried 1278 must be one generation younger. After [Scharr] he is a son of Albert!
◆ 1251-1263 Albert Ebner the Elder in Nuremberg [Scharr, miracles]. That must be another son of Seifried (HDL).
◆ Additionally a daughter Anna ∞ Pfinzing [AL Pusch, DFA 27 1964]

Regesta to Sifrid Ebner:
◆ 1265: Walter Schenk called Bratselden donates his goods in cake to Nuremberg citizens Conrad Forchtel and Sifrid Ebner as property.
◆ [Nuremberg Yearbook Vol. 1-2 p.38]
◆ Seifried Ebner 1278 witness.
◆ [Biedermann panel 22]

Regesta to Anna Ebner:
◆ Not on the board Ebner bei Biedermann.

Seifrid married Vorchtel, Anna in UNKNOWN. Anna (daughter of Vorchtel, N.N.) was born about 1190 in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany; died in DECEASED in Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Lemmel:
... Vorchtel N256 - in Nuremberg
Parents unknown

(* about? 1155)

Suspected father of Anna and Berthold.

Children:
1. Berthold, (* about? 1185) - in Nuremberg, see Vorc-21 / a

2. Anna, (* about? 1190) - ∞ Ebner, see Vorc-21 / e

Notes:

From Hans Dietrich Lemmel:
Conrad? Asinarius - in Bamberg
◆ Parents unknown
◆ (* about? 1185)
◆ The "Asinarius". His 2 sons named Conrad are called "Filii Asinarii" in 1255. (Maybe also father of Friedrich Asinarius?)

Children:
1. Konrad Esler, (* about? 1215) - in Bamberg, mayor Neumarkt, see Eslr-21 / a

2. Konrad, (* about? 1220) - Cunradus Asinarius iunior, see Eslr-21 / t

perhaps:
3. Friedrich Donel, (* about? 1210) - in Bamberg and Nuremberg, see Eslr-21 / f

Regesten:
• 1253, 1264: two brothers of the same name Cunrad filii Asinarii cives Bambergenses.
[Arneth p.242]

• Later, the black donkeys and the red donkeys are differentiated in Bamberg . These may be due to the two brothers of the same name.